The gauge pressure number 75 is indeed 27% higher than 59. But, unless I did the math wrong, the theoretical flow change through the orifice will be under 13%.

Eric Schieb

On 4/1/2012 11:40 PM, XXXXXXXXXX wrote:
75 psi is actually 27% higher than 59 psi.

XXXXXXXX


On Apr 1, 2012, at 8:25 PM, Eric Schieb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

FWIW, 59 to 75psi would theoretically be a 13% increase in fueling. That is assuming the injectors can open similarly with the higher pressure. At starting (low battery voltage), injectors tend to have a harder time opening. Higher pressure exaggerates this. Hot injectors are likely to further exaggerate this. Hoping fuel pressure will fix this issue may be a reach but worth a shot.

Eric Schieb

On 4/1/2012 7:35 PM, Bill Cardell wrote:
If you're running stock ecu and injectors it won't be happy with 75 psi. Stock is 59 psi.

Bill Cardell
Owner, Flyin' Miata
Www.flyinmiata.com <http://Www.flyinmiata.com>
1-800-FLY-MX5s
970-464-5600


On Apr 1, 2012, at 4:06 PM, "fast G" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

I checked the fuel pressure as it leave the tank, it's 75psi will a running engine. I have not been able to re-create the hot start issue, the car is still up on saw horses, but I should have it back on the ground next weekend. I was kinda hoping that the fuel pressure would be low as it would give me something to fix. What would be your best guess?

Graham

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:05 PM, fast G <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ken Bogart
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        I would plumb one inline on the hose going to the fuel rail.

        First determine if your tank is venting by checking gas
        cap. I would release the pressure and see if it starts. Is
        it under pressure or vacuum?

        Ken Bogart
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        On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, fast G <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



            I am not sure that I have any FPR at all. I can see
            nothing in the tank apart from the pump. It should be
            running again this week. What is the simplest way to
            get a fuel pressure gauge into the fuel line?

            Graham


            On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ken Bogart
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                Have you checked fuel pressure under the running,
                hot and not so hot conditions?

                The NB has a returnless system, the FPR
                is essentially on the fuel pump end. The dampener
                is supposed to accommodate pulsations, but does not
                control pressure.

                What if you loosen gas cap? does it suck or blow
                under this condition?

                Ken Bogart
                -----------------------------------------------------
                96 Montego Blue FFS Coldside (His)
                97 Black & Tan (Hers)
                90 Crystal White (sons)
                ------------------------------------------------------
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                On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Helsel, Walt
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                wrote:

                    Good, someone that knows what they are talking
                    about. J

                    (I haven’t looked under the hood of a Miata in
                    11 months, and last time I did it had a half
                    finished V8 in there… )

                    Wallyman

                    *From:*Bill Cardell [mailto:[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>]
                    *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:55 PM
                    *To:* Helsel, Walt
                    *Cc:* fast G; [email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>
                    *Subject:* Re: Miata based Lotus 7

                    More likely it's an nb pulse damper, which is
                    the same footprint.

                    Bill Cardell

                    Owner, Flyin' Miata

                    Www.flyinmiata.com <http://Www.flyinmiata.com>

                    1-800-FLY-MX5s

                    970-464-5600 <tel:970-464-5600>


                    On Mar 27, 2012, at 12:13 PM, "Helsel, Walt"
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        Your “surge unit” in photo 3 sure looks
                        like a stock Miata Fuel Pressure Regulator
                        to me…

                        Wallyman

                        *From:*[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>
                        [mailto:[email protected]]
                        <mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]>
                        *On Behalf Of *fast G
                        *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:16 PM
                        *To:* [email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>
                        *Subject:* Miata based Lotus 7

                        I am hoping you guys can help me because I
                        am really confused.

                        I have a Miata powered Locost 7 based on a
                        2002 1.8 Miata (return less injection). The
                        car has a hot start issue, it runs well, if
                        I switch it off it re-starts fine. If I
                        switch it all and wait 5 mins it will not
                        restart until it cools down, say 20 mins. I
                        got the car built so I do not understand
                        why the fuel system is plumbed the way it
                        is. But to me it looks totally wrong. To me
                        it looks like the feed line goes to the
                        fuel surge unit, the return line goes to
                        the evaporator canister, and the vent line
                        is just vented to the atmosphere. I am not
                        sure I have a fuel pressure regulator at all.

                        The first picture is of the tank

                        
http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115835.jpg
                        
<http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115835.jpg>


                        The hose at 2 o'clock goes to the
                        evaporation canister. 4 o'clock is the fuel
                        feed. 9 o'clock in a vent line, just vented
                        to atmosphere.

                        Picture 2 is the evaporation canister were
                        the 2 o'clock hose goes.

                        
http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115905.jpg
                        
<http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115905.jpg>


                        Picture 3 is the surge unit.were the 4
                        o'clock hose goes

                        
http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115921.jpg
                        
<http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115921.jpg>


                        So I am thinking that I don't actually have
                        a fuel pressure regulator at all.

                        I am looking for a plan of action to work
                        all this out.

                        What do you think?

                        Graham

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