I agree with Ben on this, and much of the other sentiment raised so far. To simplify this discussion, I think POSH is useful as a conceptual tool for reifying the definition of microformats:
POSH Patterns: semantic practices resulting in meaningful markup Microformats: HTML-based data formats I believe that POSH should actually become it's own parallel effort to microformats -- and that the microformats wiki should link to external resources, documentation and best practices for all things POSH. Now, that doesn't have to happen right away, as we are still building out the foundational corpus of information related to POSH, but I think conflating microformats and POSH could end up confusing folks new to either concept -- and as such needs a logical and geographic delineation if we're to squeeze the most value out of this. To that end, I think that whatever POSH-mark we come up with shouldn't relate to the microformats mark, either in color or typeface. While the terms are siblings, the way we market them should be radically different -- as should be the audiences of either term. The audience of POSH is generally anyone who writes HTML, who works with people who write HTML, CSS and AJAX developers, bloggers, designers, hybrids, framework builders, language writers and so forth. The microformats audience is similar, but should also include standards folks, browser developers, and so on. Nor are the members of these audiences mutually exclusive, but we must maintain audience-specific priorities for each effort. Finally, as to the POSH brand, I think there's still much to be done to come up with a mark to represent the effort that is as cool or sexy as the microformats icon itself. Dan Cederholm set the bar pretty high on this one and I've already got a few designer-friends coming up with something that I think you'll like, playing on the idea of "semantic salt"... So, it's something of a matter of time before we find a proper home for POSH, but agree that long-term, the goal should be to separate out the two efforts as distinct community efforts. Chris On 5/5/07, David Mead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have to agree, and have cast my vote, that the use of the microformats logo with POSH isn't a good idea straight out of the gate. I do like Jon's badges so if I were to ever use one I'd be happy with one of those. Maybe I'm missing something but if you want to promote "plain old semantic HTML" then wouldn't you have that first and then add microformats to it? So the POSH badge should be designed first and then an alternative to show you are using POSH with uF's. Didn't the W3C have badges (I'm going back a bit now) for HTML, one for CSS and one combined? Maybe this is the way to go. Get the foundation (POSH), add CSS, uF's, RSS what-have-you afterwards. I'm not a big one for badges anyway :-) Dave On 5/5/07, Jon Tan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben Ward wrote: > > Now the whole point of this is to differentiate semantic HTML from > > microformats, discourage the further ambiguation of the terms. So to > > be honest I'm a bit put out by the badges that have been added to > > http://microformats.org/wiki/posh#POSH_Bling_for_your_Blog which > > include the microformats logo. > > I've provided a plain HTML / CSS alternative without the microformats logo: > > http://jontangerine.com/silo/microformats/posh-badge/ > > Please feel free to use / adapt as you like. > > All the best, > Jon Tan > > > _______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
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