I think Joseph claims the moral high ground here!..patent or not.
/Bjorn
Joseph Hartvigsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- In [email protected], davis ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Swedish patent office web site:
>
> Industrial Design
> Design refers to the appearance of a product. When
> we talk about design protection, we are talking only
> about protection of the form or appearance. Patent
> protection is required for the underlying technical
> idea or function.
>
> I was unable to locate the design rights Hartvigsen
> has said that Ruyter. Maybe Ruyter could help with
> this?
Ron,
You must have missed it in my first response to your anonymous posting
on this topic. I'll quote from my reply of Dec 12, 2005.
"We have never claimed to own a patent on the design, nor have we
threatened any legal action. Neither have I refuse to sell him spoons
because of his failure to abide by our request. And, it has probably
been 5-6 years since I have brought up the issue with Ron."
As your quote from the Swedish Patent Office (SPO) above says, patent
protection is required for the underlying technical idea and function.
We don't have that. Gilkes had that 100 years ago. The SPO does talk
about design protection as being separate from a patent. You say "I
looked at the Swedish patent office site and "design rights" only
apply to appearance." Doesn't an object made by forming a casting mold
around another object have the same appearance of the copied object?
We did ask several years ago that you respect the design of this
particular embodiment, form or appearance that you were using to make
your copies by direct physical contact from the article supplied. You
refused, and are now harassing us for even having asked 5-6 years ago!
I have not "been telling various individuals for several years that I
owe him money (or royalties) for producing turgo runners here in
Bolivia for my Watermotor turbine. (watermotor.net)", you've managed
to do that all yourself!
This clearly isn't a mater of money to you, as I offered a means to
raise the money (I'd buy copies from you), or even that I would pay
the royalty myself on your behalf.
Why don't you just drop it? We did years ago!!! Ron, your tactics are
cowardly - sending threatening email and using fictitiously named
accounts.
Here are some recent examples.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:24:40 -0800 (PST)
From: peter hithdch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Group waiting tohere from you
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey Ruyter,
Big hydro man, we are all waitting for you to tell us about how
Ron Davies in Bolivia has been cheating you like Hartvegsin says. Come
on? You tell uis all for years this.
Maybe you been drinking too much see things. Maybe you are just crook.
We wait.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:16:29 -0800 (PST)
From: austin baines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Patent or copyright violations in Sweden
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
!8, 12, 2005
Dear Mr. Ruyter,
We would like to help you with our international legal services. We
see according to what Mr. Hartfigsen is saying on the microhydro group
website that a Mr. Ron Davis in Bolivia is violating your rights to
collect royalties on the turgo spoons design you own. We specialise in
this type of case.
If you will simply give us the patent number or copyright number
Mr. Davis is in violation of we will be glad to get started.
Steinhart Associates
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:29:59 -0800 (PST)
From: davis ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: regarding Peter Ruyter and his U.S. partner Hartvigsen
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dec. 16, 05
Hello Cargo and Kraft,
A hydropower business partner of Peter Ruyter in
the U.S., Joseph Hartvigsen, has been telling various
individuals for several years that I owe him money (or
royalties) for producing turgo runners here in Bolivia
for my Watermotor turbine. (watermotor.net)
I have written to Ruyter a number of times regarding
this and he simply refuses to reply. I told him that I
would write to the authorities about this if he
continued to allow Hartvigsen to make false statements
about me.
Hartvigsen claims to have been authorized by Ruyter
to collect money from me and says that he has a
document to this effect, but now refuses to show it to
me.
How can one legally demand royalty money without a
patent? Isnt that against the law in Sweden? It
certainly is here.
A member of the microhydro group recently wrote and
told me that Hartvigsen can take me to court I do not
pay the money he is demanding for Ruyter.
Ruyter has not had anything to say for himself. I
think that if he were innocent he would say so.
I see that you allow Hartvigsen to advertise on your
website.
I am quite willing to present a U.S. embassy a
notorized copy of my entire email correspondance
regarding the turgo spoons with Ruyter and Hartvigsen
to the appropriate Swedish authorities.
Another member of this group to which Ruyter and
Hartvigsen belong recently asked if they had the
right to collect royalties on the turgo spoons. Let me
show you what Hartvigsen replied. Now after several
years Hartvigsen admits that there is no patent, but
now speaks of Ruyters "design rights". I looked at the
Swedish patent office site and "design rights" only
apply to appearance.
---
What does it take to make this madness end?
Joe
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