For the vast majority of people, I agree. A lot of people cling to the old and familiar.
I am still using Thunderbird because I currently have four email accounts I need to monitor (but not integrate), my bCal, and a few RSS feeds. It also leaves my browsers free to use whatever logins I may need at any time. I have four browsers available and often have two or more running with different 'personalities'. I may be the exception that proves the rule! Graham On 1/28/15 10:21 AM, Guy D. VINSON wrote: > The simple solution is for everyone to adopt the web based mail > interface... this hanging on to apple mail, Outlook, and even still some > users on Eudora is just plain silly. I have heard all the arguments > about needing the mail client but none of them seem to be more important > than the benefits of simplification and standardization. > > Guy Vinson > Computer Support and Consulting > 510-842-7199 > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Beth Muramoto <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Vivian, > > This is great and useful information. None of the users who are > having this Apple Mail problem are using Yosemite (it's a mixed bag > of Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion so far), but when we upgrade staff > in the next year, this information will be good to have. > > Thanks for sharing it. > > Beth > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Vivian Sophia > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Beth, there is a new setting in the Yosemite version of Apple > mail that "fixes" your settings so that they are broken. It is > on the advanced tab of the account settings. You need to uncheck > "automatically detect and maintain account settings" because it > will change the settings to calmail.berkeley.edu > <http://calmail.berkeley.edu> (based off the mx record, I presume). > > You will have to remove the "fixed" account and re-do it, then > uncheck the setting, to prevent Mail from "fixing" it back into > a broken state. > > > > Vivian Sophia > Berkeley IT (CSS) > Business/Tech Support Analyst > University of California, Berkeley > 310B Durant Hall > (510) 541-6120 <tel:%28510%29%20541-6120> > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Beth Muramoto > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Full disclosure, this email is as much to seek answers, > inconclusive or otherwise, but to also find out how many > people are using Apple Mail in general. > > Users who are using Apple Mail like it because they can > juggle multiple accounts in one place. It's not the only > client that does it but being an Apple environment, it > seemed the logical route to take for us. This feature is why > some people didn't leave it for bMail on the web. > > However, frequently, users have been reporting that Apple > Mail will lose their passwords/google keys and they have to > re-enter them. Sometimes just doing that isn't good enough > and they have to delete their accounts and re-create them > and even that often doesn't work. > > Case in Point: One user has a particularly puzzling behavior > in that Mail on his iPhone for bMail works perfectly so I > know that his account and google key are correct, but no > matter how many times I delete his bMail account and > re-enter all of the credentials, he can't get bMail on his > Apple Mail. It just keeps spitting out the window to enter > his password. I'm hoping to avoid deleting a plist that > could mean re-entering his other accounts (yahoo, personal > gmail and a couple of other accounts stemming from > consultant work) as they are working and to be honest, this > user isn't very patient and telling him to start all over > again would be tantamount to "killing the messenger". Think > of this as selfish self-preservation on my part (hee). > > So the specific question is does anyone have any suggestions > on what else I can try to make the bMail "stick" in Apple > Mail. I've been using the KB instructions in bconnected as well. > > The general question (and I have googled this with all kinds > of descriptors and have found nothing concrete): Does anyone > know what triggers this strange password "amnesia" in Apple > Mail? > > Lastly, is there another client software that works well on > a Mac for multiple accounts? Admission: I've only worked > with Thunderbird and Outlook minimally and years ago and > wasn't too impressed with their interface then and some > users I gave those options to weren't impressed either. So > new options are welcome or convincing "sales pitches" for > Thunderbird and Outlook as they are today (since I'm > assuming updates could have made them better than past > versions years ago) are welcome as well. > > Thanks for listening and as always I value and appreciate > any feedback offered. > > > Beth > > -- > *********************************************** > Beth Muramoto > Computer Resource Specialist > Graduate School of Education > University of California, Berkeley > 1650 Tolman Hall > Berkeley, CA 94720 > Email: mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > Phone: (510) 643-0203 <tel:%28510%29%20643-0203> > Fax: (510) 643-6239 <tel:%28510%29%20643-6239> > > “Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you > could. Some blunders and absurdities have crept in – forget > them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall > begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be > encumbered with your old nonsense.” > -Emerson > > This is the essence of forgiveness. You can't change what > happened but you can make sure it doesn't have the power to > prevent you from being happy tomorrow. > > -Paul Boese > > “Kind words do not cost much yet they accomplish much.” > > -Blaise Pascal > > > *********************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The following was automatically added to this message by the > list server: > > To learn more about Micronet, including how to subscribe to > or unsubscribe from its mailing list and how to find out > about upcoming meetings, please visit the Micronet Web site: > > http://micronet.berkeley.edu > > Messages you send to this mailing list are public and > world-viewable, and the list's archives can be browsed and > searched on the Internet. This means these messages can be > viewed by (among others) your bosses, prospective employers, > and people who have known you in the past. > > > > > > -- > *********************************************** > Beth Muramoto > Computer Resource Specialist > Graduate School of Education > University of California, Berkeley > 1650 Tolman Hall > Berkeley, CA 94720 > Email: mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Phone: (510) 643-0203 <tel:%28510%29%20643-0203> > Fax: (510) 643-6239 <tel:%28510%29%20643-6239> > > “Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. > Some blunders and absurdities have crept in – forget them as soon as > you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with > too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.” > -Emerson > > This is the essence of forgiveness. You can't change what happened > but you can make sure it doesn't have the power to prevent you from > being happy tomorrow. > > -Paul Boese > > “Kind words do not cost much yet they accomplish much.” > > -Blaise Pascal > > > *********************************************** > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The following was automatically added to this message by the list > server: > > To learn more about Micronet, including how to subscribe to or > unsubscribe from its mailing list and how to find out about upcoming > meetings, please visit the Micronet Web site: > > http://micronet.berkeley.edu > > Messages you send to this mailing list are public and > world-viewable, and the list's archives can be browsed and searched > on the Internet. 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