On 28 Dec, 01:27, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 23 Dez., 05:34, "Aaron Eel (Ehrin)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> And He forgives you of all of your
>
> > transgressions... most of them forgotten... and He breathes a new life
> > into you and washes the stains from your heart, and from that moment
> > on you are a new creature. Sinless, unblemished and whole. Bought and
> > paid for BY HIM. From the OUTSIDE in. Not from the inside out.
> > If you understand this, then you are the people I want to hear from.
> > All of you others are as lost as Amelia Earhart. And quite frankly,
> > just as damned.
>
> Aaron, you haven't yet replied to the offer of dialogue I made to you
> on December 23rd., but perhaps you still will, although from your
> latest post you seem to consider me to be as lost and damned as Amelia
> Earhart. In this context, I feel I must remark that I have always
> found the propensity of many so-called born-again Christians to
> routinely consign all those who are not of their opinion to damnation
> (whatever that entails) to be presumptious, insulting and, indeed, in
> contradiction to the words of the one they regard as their "saviour"
> who admonished them to judge not lest they be judged.
>
> It is, of course, a fine thing to be forgiven - particularly if one is
> forgiven by those one may have hurt or offended. However, I do not
> feel to be in need of any kind of forgiveness from God, since - if he
> does exist - I cannot seen how I have offended him. Indeed, for many,
> the most compelling need they have is for self-forgiveness and self-
> acceptance, a power which we all contain within ourselves and one
> which is an important way-station in our growth as mature humans.
>
> The idea of an all-loving God, who creates all human beings in love,
> then damns them all to eternal hell because they are
> imperfect/"sinners" only to offer a select few "redemption" on the
> basis of being "born-again" through faith (itself a gift selectively
> solely granted by the same God) in his crucified incarnate son is one
> which I find profoundly flawed, disturbing and negative. As a species
> we can do much better. Some of this involves us taking responsibility
> for our own lives, the messes we cause and the wonders we produce.
>
> Francis
Nevermind, Francis. you know, as well as I do, that, if you can
forgive yourself, (at that very moment and through that very process)
God has forgiven you. No intercessors required, though countless
redeemers apply. ;-)
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