Depends on which paper you read... ;)

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Would that be the Left or the Right Hegelian paradigm?
>
> On Dec 31, 12:32 am, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > He was only off by a few thousand miles, and a hemisphere. The Hegelian
> > Paradigm is all anyone can find on the news these days. Think I'll watch
> > SpongeBob instead.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 1:24 AM, archytas <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I would refer you to professor Nietzsche on war Chris.  War is the
> > > proper theartre of the warrior.  Women are for the recreation of the
> > > warrior.  Postmodernists have long suggested that language is now so
> > > impossible we cannot speak without dredging up self-delusion.  One
> > > might suggest that peace is merely the plotting phase of further war,
> > > or self-development the hardening of illusions amongst soldiers of
> > > human resource management.  Typically, I find myself teaching young
> > > men and women who hate the firms they work for to "love them in new
> > > ways".  I rather think the first has it right and the latter immoral.
> > > Some students point out that it is better to work for companies that
> > > at least pretend to want to develop them.  Still waters no doubt, yet
> > > who can deny war is peace, given that war is ever-present?  The
> > > presence of a draft makes one think a little more deeply about war and
> > > the possibilities of peace.  The Greeks had many debates about such
> > > dunnage - the winners all turn out to have had control of the means of
> > > producing the written scripts!
> > > Hegel had it that Man would eventually emerge from war between South
> > > and North America.  One might, of course, choose to allow people to
> > > work out who is doing what to whom in an honest fashion.
> > > Yours, Protagoras.
> >
> > > On 31 Dec, 05:39, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > War is Peace, Neil. Do you deny this?
> >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:07 AM, archytas <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > Self-image has fallen apart big style of late.  Our reaction
> appears
> > > > > to be that of putting Humpty-Dumpty back together again, using the
> > > > > resources (all the King's horses and all the King's men) that
> failed
> > > > > to do so in the past.  The techniques of self are all around us.
> > > > > Chronic market segmentation advertising and all sorts of quasi-
> > > > > governmental Doublespeak.  The idea is to produce docile bodies and
> > > > > governmentality.  What of truth in self development?  What of the
> > > > > creativity of the liars' tales in which our self is spun?  What of
> the
> > > > > repeated Machiavellian rebirths of our "management fashions"?  I
> would
> > > > > sense that Molly has something here about greater truth following a
> > > > > collapse of world-view, but what are we to take as truth and does
> one
> > > > > want to take truth at a moment of collapse?  Great narratives have
> > > > > been shown, repeatedly to be mythical and we are supposed to stand
> in
> > > > > incredulity towards them.  What might an acceptable metanarrative
> for
> > > > > rebirth be?  What evidential-basing criteria would we use?  How
> might
> > > > > we withstand attempts to rebirth us as merely a smiling brotherhood
> of
> > > > > shiny success at the expense of others or as learners of the litany
> of
> > > > > new management that is merely the old management with new hymns?
>  We
> > > > > should try to structure new communities - self has social context.
> > > > > I'm a believer in Molly's positive messages, but believers can be
> > > > > doubting thomases.  Political rhetoric has hardly changed at all in
> > > > > the last 40 years, and neither has literature on
> "self-improvement".
> > > > > There is much more to collapse than we might initially think.
> >
> > > > > On 30 Dec, 23:25, Molly Brogan <[email protected]
> >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Self-image is the personal view we have of ourselves.  It is our
> > > > > > mental image or self portrait.  Self-image is an internal
> dictionary
> > > > > > that describes the characteristics of the self, including
> concepts
> > > > > > like intelligence, beauty, kindness, selfishness or
> insensitivity.
> > > > > > These characteristics form a collective representation of our
> assets
> > > > > > and liabilities as we see them.  Relationships reinforce what we
> > > think
> > > > > > and feel about ourselves.  Self-image is important because how we
> > > > > > think about ourselves directly affects how we feel about
> ourselves
> > > and
> > > > > > how we respond to life.
> >
> > > > > > How we think and feel about ourselves influences the way we react
> or
> > > > > > respond to life stressors.  A hopeless self-image can lead to
> > > > > > suicide.  Self-image possessing body strength and health can lead
> to
> > > > > > wellness.  A loving self-image can lead to a life full of loving
> > > > > > relationships.  An angry self-image can lead to a life of
> isolation.
> > > > > > A fearful self-image can lead to a life of suffering.  In these
> ways,
> > > > > > self-image can determine the quality of our relationships with
> > > others.
> >
> > > > > > How we imagine ourselves to be can be different from how we
> witness
> > > > > > ourselves to be, but ultimately the two will become the same if
> our
> > > > > > desire to be as we imagine is unwavering.  Depending on the
> beliefs
> > > we
> > > > > > gather throughout our life, our self-image can bring us success
> and
> > > > > > happiness, or, on the other hand, failure and misery.  But this
> image
> > > > > > can change, if we start questioning our beliefs about our selves
> and
> > > > > > our lives.  When our belief system falls apart, we are ready to
> > > > > > receive a greater truth, and resurrect belief, born anew with
> > > > > > possibility.
> >
> > > > > > What do YOU think?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
>

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