Excerpt from above; External image is manipulative and malleable in that it can be enhanced and does not reflect truth image which is internal. This is where we agree, as you say "we are also malleable creatures subject to mob thinking, able to contradict ourselves when necessary."
I remember a story about a Nazi attempt to forge British pounds during the war effort. They handpicked Jewish prisoners, who were professionals in printing. They worked in a factory where they forged the currency. I also saw a interview with one of the survivors who said ........."at night the guards would sit with us, eat dinner with us, play games and laugh as if we were all good friends, but in the morning when they would put on their uniforms they would treat us like the prisoners we were, it was like you never knew them"............... This is a perfect example of how the self image is completely revamped. Sometimes it is necessary to do so for political reason or adherence to a social order. One must conform in order to survive. Excerpt from http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07022/755902-28.stm Capt. Kruger and his team of SS guards spared their Jewish prisoners the degradations they had known previously in Nazi camps, according to Mr. Malkin's account. The inmates had decent food, civilian clothes, cigarettes, books and board games. They even received parcels from outside. They were allowed to grow their hair and listen to the radio. They worked eight-hour days. They had Sundays off. Mr. Burger played ping-pong with the SS. This behavior is concurrent within our world, evidenced by corrupt leaders and the many scandalous accounts. What we see is not what we get, what we are told is not what transpires. On Dec 31 2008, 11:46 pm, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote: > It's an infuriating idea, but one I've accepted, that a person can > never really fully comprehend themselves. As you've said, Johari's > Window. It doesn't help that we are also malleable creatures, subject > to mob thinking, able to contradict ourselves when necessary. When it > comes down to it, we don't so much HAVE self-images, but USE self- > images. > > On Dec 31, 8:06 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We used to use a simple tool called Johari's Window to begin to get at > > these matters. There's what I can see about me, what I don't see > > about me, what others can see of me and what others can't see of me. > > Once we throw in decpetion (a key evolutionary ingredient), it gets > > quite complicated. When it comes to perception, have a think about > > this fairly recent MIT experiment. Kidnap several hundred students. > > Split into two groups. Let the first group try 2 beers - budweiser > > and busweiser with a tad of balsamic vinegar. Tell them about the > > balsamic addition. They nearly all say the beer with vinegar in is > > shite. Use the second group as a control and just give them the two > > "beers" - don't tell them about the vinegar. This group actually > > prefer the bud with balsamic vinegar in it. Wondering it you have a > > new miracle (drinkable Budweiser) on hand, you kidnap another group of > > students. You give this lot the bud and bud plus as well, not telling > > them about the vinegar until after the experiment. This lot say much > > the same as the lot not told about the balsamic vinegar at all. Some > > may think this just goes to show that Budweiser is only fit for > > throwing away on students acting as guinea pigs or that MIT has been > > secretly recruiting vinegar drinkers. We may know so little of > > ourselves that we haven't realised Budweiser has been selling us > > vinegar for years - or perhaps there is something about being > > physiologically cued by certain information? > > > On 31 Dec 2008, 23:09, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't see as much of the focus on self image as a facade. While self > > > image can be and many time is a facade there is such a thing as a self > > > image based upon truth identity. Was Gandhi's self image BS? Self > > > model, self image; where is the difference? In light of apparent > > > misleadings run rampant in our society I can see how the first > > > inclination leans towards identifying self images as falsehoods. I'm > > > thinking on these lines because I feel the my personal self image is > > > not a facade or a marketing strategy and never purport myself to be > > > anything over and above that which I am. Then again in retrospect I > > > can see why many times throughout my life I was duped by people who's > > > self image was highly based upon BS, while I was thinking, and I still > > > do, that there was more integrity in a persons self image. > > > > On Dec 31, 4:20 pm, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It seems to me that asserting a self-image is akin to a marketing > > > > campaign, where you are trying to fool a) Yourself and b) Others. > > > > I've found it more hepful to build what I think of as a self-model, as > > > > opposed to a self-image of myself including my known leanings/ > > > > limitations. > > > > > Of course, every once in a while one finds the need to market one's > > > > self, just don't buy your own BS.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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