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On 12 Jan, 20:09, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having watched the world from Nemo's point of view, I see she did the
> only right thing for that poor thing to possibly meet its father.
> That's the language of the heart speaking - or so the fathers say.
>
> On 12 Jan., 19:01, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > It's an interesting thing you touch upon there SD.
>
> > Yes I agree, there are many, many, many things that irritate me, and
> > I'm constantly supprised by the vitorol expelled by irritated people,
> > when they are umm well iritated.
>
> > The interesting thing though is how this seems to effect even the most
> > cerebarel of people. In your initial post you leveid the charge of
> > stupidity at Ms Newkirk, and most of us here agreed with you.
>
> > Those that did not seemed to do so because I guess her actions did not
> > irritate us, and so we had a chance to examine things from her point
> > of view.
>
> > Yes, interesting indeed!
>
> > On 12 Jan, 14:32, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > The gesture is fine, the compassion is understandable, the action that
> > > ensued based upon the compassionate gesture is illogical. What was
> > > wrong with letting the lobster live out his days in the tank that
> > > sustained him all these years? George was obviously the restaurant
> > > mascot and not destined to be boiled alive.
>
> > > My post is not an attack on compassion for animals. I hope everyone
> > > would understand that. My pets live as good as I do and get the best
> > > of care. I have all the compassion in the world for mistreated
> > > animals but the lobster was not mistreated and probably ate better
> > > than lobsters in the wild.
> > > Perhaps stupid is not the appropriate word for Ms Newkirk and I would
> > > strike that remark from my first post if it was editable, which it
> > > doesn't seem to be, so I apologize for any hurt feelings. Of course I
> > > still find the action irritating.
>
> > > On Jan 11, 11:26 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Any woman stupid enough to make this lobster dash might just be stupid
> > > > enough to live with one of us Slip, presumably out of pity. You
> > > > should not be so dismissive my friend! I rather approve of the
> > > > gesture, futile or not.
>
> > > > On 11 Jan, 23:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > George the Giant lobster gazed delightfully about the ocean's
> > > > > surroundings
> > > > > Peacefully absorbing all the abundance of aquatic life
> > > > > Thanks to the auspices of the petty peta people I am here thought
> > > > > George
> > > > > Let me mingle within this new menagerie and make friends saith George
> > > > > the giant lobster
> > > > > Amidst the salty sandy bottom George danced in delight
> > > > > Along came an aged Codfish who decided to dance with George
> > > > > Love blossomed and George was consumed
> > > > > A fisherman luckily caught the cod one cold winter day
> > > > > He cooked it on a bed of coals and upon eating it began to say
> > > > > "By George this Cod tastes like Lobster"
>
> > > > > Slip,s Slippery Slant
>
> > > > > On Jan 11, 11:59 am, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > I wonder what predator made quick work of the senior citizen
> > > > > > lobster with no
> > > > > > evasive experience which dropped into its back yard...
>
> > > > > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I remember your piece on Ken Wilbur, the past, present and future
> > > > > > > aspects of introspective life regressions. You might remember my
> > > > > > > reference to Arnold Patent. The spectrum of spiral dynamics
> > > > > > > merely
> > > > > > > presents a revised version of existing models and curves. Less
> > > > > > > connotation is not non connotative, perhaps it is less abrasive
> > > > > > > through colorization. In this case of peta compassion I find the
> > > > > > > action illogical. Considering the end result of logic analysis
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > black or white with some grey area, the action appears to be, at
> > > > > > > least
> > > > > > > for the lobster, Black Friday. In comparison, would a deer held
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > captivity for 10 years achieve longevity through it's release
> > > > > > > into the
> > > > > > > forest during hunting season? I'm not sure I would class the
> > > > > > > woman's
> > > > > > > action as a means of getting attention but a misguided sense of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > peta mission.
>
> > > > > > > A portion of the peta mission statement reads:
> > > > > > > PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the largest
> > > > > > > numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest
> > > > > > > periods
> > > > > > > of time: on factory farms, in laboratories, in the clothing
> > > > > > > trade, and
> > > > > > > in the entertainment industry. We also work on a variety of other
> > > > > > > issues, including the cruel killing of beavers, birds and other
> > > > > > > "pests," and the abuse of backyard dogs.
>
> > > > > > > All that makes sense, but focusing attention on a lobster "living
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > well" for years in a seafood restaurant tank lacks the indication
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > abusive treatment. Fact is the lobster might not have had such a
> > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > life if it were not for the great care provided by the restaurant,
> > > > > > > kudos to the City Crab and Seafood Restaurant!! I'll be in NY this
> > > > > > > summer and I'm going to make a point of going to the restaurant to
> > > > > > > congratulate the owner. I wonder what the two customers are
> > > > > > > about to
> > > > > > > call in such an "Alert" to peta and what unfortunate creature had
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > meet it's early demise to accommodate their dinner request. I
> > > > > > > guess
> > > > > > > everyone should take their pet turtles and reptiles and dump them
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > in the wild so they could starve to death while waiting for their
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > meal to drop down out of the sky.
> > > > > > > Look, I could go on until I'm Blue in the face!
>
> > > > > > > I do appreciate your input and sharing Molly, very colorful. ;-)
> > > > > > > I'll bet your feeling Pink all over! What color am I?
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 11, 7:29 am, Molly Brogan
> > > > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > The Spiral Dynamics
> > > > > > > > (http://www.spiraldynamics.org/Graves/colors.htm
> > > > > > > > ) is a pretty good model that describes human behavior in terms
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > levels (memes) of development and ability to move between. The
> > > > > > > > Green
> > > > > > > > Meme is one that takes their identity from affiliation and
> > > > > > > > sharing.
> > > > > > > > Ken Wilber often refers to this model in his Integral Institute
> > > > > > > > work,
> > > > > > > > and has coined the phrase "Mean Green Meme" to signify those
> > > > > > > > folks who
> > > > > > > > push against other affiliations, thus forming their own
> > > > > > > > affiliation.
> > > > > > > > There seems no doubt that the behavior of a woman who would seek
> > > > > > > > attention by driving a lobster to Maine and releasing it in the
> > > > > > > > coastal waters is a Mean Green Meme. And there are many other
> > > > > > > > Mean
> > > > > > > > Green Memes, waiting to applaud this behavior. According to
> > > > > > > > Graves,
> > > > > > > > as a culture, the US and UK are moving into the Green Meme. It
> > > > > > > > may
> > > > > > > > seem moronic to someone who has a more evolved sense of
> > > > > > > > compassion,
> > > > > > > > but I think, even in its mean form, the behavior of the Green
> > > > > > > > Meme is
> > > > > > > > more preferable than the red or blue, that don't include much
> > > > > > > > compassion at all.
>
> > > > > > > > I think Graves originally chose colors for his categories
> > > > > > > > because they
> > > > > > > > have less connotation of good and bad. His idea was that we
> > > > > > > > all start
> > > > > > > > our at the survival level and move up (or in times of stress and
> > > > > > > > crisis, down) the spiral as our life evolves. All colors shine
> > > > > > > > bright
> > > > > > > > under the right conditions.
>
> > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 3:55 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/10/maine.lobster.liberated/index.html?e.
> > > > > > > ..
>
> > > > > > > > > Isn't that the dumbest thing you ever heard of? They drive
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > lobster up to Maine, possibly the lobster capitol of the USA,
> > > > > > > > > to give
> > > > > > > > > it freedom?
>
> > > > > > > > > PETA President Ingrid Newkirk said in a statement, "We
> > > > > > > > > applaud the
> > > > > > > > > folks at City Crab and Seafood for their compassionate
> > > > > > > > > decision to
> > > > > > > > > allow this noble old-timer to live out his days in freedom
> > > > > > > > > and peace.
> > > > > > > > > "We hope that their kind gesture serves as an example that
> > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > intriguing animals don't deserve to be confined to tiny tanks
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > boiled alive."
>
> > > > > > > > > Doesn't the stupid woman realize that it is now just a matter
> > > > > > > > > of time
> > > > > > > > > before the lobster winds up in someones lobster pot?
> > > > > > > > > Unbelievable!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
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