The exploitation of resources and labor for personal gain, while not
new, is not found in all cultures. Many, yes.

On Jan 21, 1:25 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 20, 7:16 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > I've always had trouble with "capitalism" - the word hardly appears in
> > > Marx and I've never seen any satisfactory definitions of it as a
> > > phenomena.
>
> > As a phenomenon it is highly misunderstood and applied for dubious
> > political purposes. On another Newsgroup I was shocked to see this
> > statement in response to my accusation that the writer had no idea
> > what socialism was except as a thing to be destroyed to protect us all
> > from evil.
> > "I take socialism to be the opposite of capitalism.  Capitalism is a
> > social system based on respect for individual liberty.  Socialism is a
> > social system based on lack of respect for individual liberty. "
> > (I shit you not!)
> > This is unbelievable that anyone could have such a stilted view point.
> > Capitalism is not a social system, but a description of an economic
> > process.
>
> It all started when we were taught about the United Soviet SOCIALIST
> Republic, AKA The Dirty Commies... ;)
>
> As someone who's lived both here, and in many Socialist countries, I think
> we could use a healthy dash of Socialism at home, particularly in the areas
> of Education and Healthcare.
>
> > Performance targets? Tracking? Key Skills? Transferable Skills? CPD?
> > Evidence based performance related target? BS? Mangement Speak?
>
> I believe I can create some effective 3-6 month trending reports which will
> help visualize the KPI in question. The data is indisputable. Metrics don't
> lie.
>
> Of course, the people presenting them do...
>
>
>
> >  People still
> > > managing express concerns that honesty is long gone, but do this
> > > quietly because they fear talking of it is career suicide.  I wonder
> > > if we have confused "capitalism" with some desire to be free of power-
>
> > (See above!)
>
> > > freaks and somehow let it into our lives in ways we should have
> > > resisted?  Everyone is admitting in private (questionnaires etc.) that
> > > they are routinely lying - I actually find some very confused people
> > > in my practical examinations of organisations - and would like to
> > > establish why I feel this is worse now than ever before in my life.  I
> > > got used to lies as a cop, but this current stuff is something else,
> > > more like a disease.
> > > It's pretty obvious that Enron was the key model underlying
> > > "capitalist" activity.  In a similar sense Baby P is probably not an
> > > exception but the rule.  Lying connects activity in public and private
> > > sectors, along with brazen denials that anything is going wrong.  Our
> > > bwankers have clearly been sitting on top of one hell of a barrel of
> > > stealing that dwarfs Enron.
> > > I haven't heard the world stop as all this money drops from sight
> > > under the magician's cape.  I wonder if we could start again without
> > > these parasites?
>
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