On Jan 22, 12:47 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> The only exceptions I can think of are such small communities of indigenous
> tribes that there is simply no room for personal gain...the Korowai,
> perhaps, or similar. Do you have any other examples?
!Kung San of the Kalahari. Yanomano of the Amazon.
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:39 PM, ornamentalmind
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>
>
> > The exploitation of resources and labor for personal gain, while not
> > new, is not found in all cultures. Many, yes.
>
> > On Jan 21, 1:25 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 20, 7:16 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > I've always had trouble with "capitalism" - the word hardly appears
> > in
> > > > > Marx and I've never seen any satisfactory definitions of it as a
> > > > > phenomena.
>
> > > > As a phenomenon it is highly misunderstood and applied for dubious
> > > > political purposes. On another Newsgroup I was shocked to see this
> > > > statement in response to my accusation that the writer had no idea
> > > > what socialism was except as a thing to be destroyed to protect us all
> > > > from evil.
> > > > "I take socialism to be the opposite of capitalism. Capitalism is a
> > > > social system based on respect for individual liberty. Socialism is a
> > > > social system based on lack of respect for individual liberty. "
> > > > (I shit you not!)
> > > > This is unbelievable that anyone could have such a stilted view point.
> > > > Capitalism is not a social system, but a description of an economic
> > > > process.
>
> > > It all started when we were taught about the United Soviet SOCIALIST
> > > Republic, AKA The Dirty Commies... ;)
>
> > > As someone who's lived both here, and in many Socialist countries, I
> > think
> > > we could use a healthy dash of Socialism at home, particularly in the
> > areas
> > > of Education and Healthcare.
>
> > > > Performance targets? Tracking? Key Skills? Transferable Skills? CPD?
> > > > Evidence based performance related target? BS? Mangement Speak?
>
> > > I believe I can create some effective 3-6 month trending reports which
> > will
> > > help visualize the KPI in question. The data is indisputable. Metrics
> > don't
> > > lie.
>
> > > Of course, the people presenting them do...
>
> > > > People still
> > > > > managing express concerns that honesty is long gone, but do this
> > > > > quietly because they fear talking of it is career suicide. I wonder
> > > > > if we have confused "capitalism" with some desire to be free of
> > power-
>
> > > > (See above!)
>
> > > > > freaks and somehow let it into our lives in ways we should have
> > > > > resisted? Everyone is admitting in private (questionnaires etc.)
> > that
> > > > > they are routinely lying - I actually find some very confused people
> > > > > in my practical examinations of organisations - and would like to
> > > > > establish why I feel this is worse now than ever before in my life.
> > I
> > > > > got used to lies as a cop, but this current stuff is something else,
> > > > > more like a disease.
> > > > > It's pretty obvious that Enron was the key model underlying
> > > > > "capitalist" activity. In a similar sense Baby P is probably not an
> > > > > exception but the rule. Lying connects activity in public and
> > private
> > > > > sectors, along with brazen denials that anything is going wrong. Our
> > > > > bwankers have clearly been sitting on top of one hell of a barrel of
> > > > > stealing that dwarfs Enron.
> > > > > I haven't heard the world stop as all this money drops from sight
> > > > > under the magician's cape. I wonder if we could start again without
> > > > > these parasites?
>
> > > > Yes there is a place called Utopia. Get your one way tickets!- Hide
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