This is irrelevant.  Our arguments have not be based on the
constitution.  The constitution has been brought up, but not as
defense to the ownership of guns, or the right to defend oneself.  It
just so happens that our law guarantees the right.  However, since
this is a philosophy/debate group, we are more than willing to debate
the right to gun ownership on its own merits.

On Feb 5, 7:53 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote:
> 2009/2/5 Lee <[email protected]>
>
>
>
> > My comment about America, is really my admision that I have no idea
> > what should be done for the best there.  Many Americans will not give
> > up their right to bear arms, and as it is enshrined in their law, then
> > I really don't see why they should, however the title of this thread
> > is Guns in Britain, and as a residant I say that we neither require
> > them nor want them.
>
> Lee, there does seem to be almost doctrinal reverence given to U.S.
> Constitution and Bill of Rights. Being English I don't get it at all,
> especially considering how continuously the articles are exploited beyond
> their original purpose and all the ill that has come of them. Maybe the
> Constitution would have been less like horseshit had Jefferson and Adams --
> who have always struck me as the only sharp tools in a box of very dull ones
> -- not been in France smoking opium during the Philadelphia Convention?
>
> I'm mostly joking, of course, but I do hold to the point that writing
> something down 218 years ago (which may have seemed like a really idea at
> the time) is probably due a blank piece of a paper by now. Even Christians
> treat the Bible like a wiki, maybe the Colonials should follow this example
> with their moldy Constitution?
>
> Ian
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