Much the same could no doubt be said of young men driving cars. Most of my cranky old mates here believe we had a better adolescence than we have "created" for our sons. I don't feel this is a time for disarming in any simple sense. Yet one presumably wants to live in hope of better times. My more recent visits to the US have left me feeling more assured by police presence than I feel here, but Saratoga Springs is rather nice. I've long thought we need to pay much more creative attention to employment. I've been involved in regeneration projects here and the US and they seem to fail for similar reasons, doing little to provide dignity for "angry young men" (and young women). Guns are still somewhat peripheral here, but I suspect the issues of crime deterrence are the same and that we have reasons to distrust official action. Gun ownership has been rather class-based here and we do little to restrict shotguns or work-based possession (vermin etc.) It might be worth looking at the stats on how often these groups are involved in homicide thought the misuse of legally held weapons. There are cases, but the occurrence is low. My guess is that most killings are drug, booze and idiot young man related, and that black involvement is higher than it should be if all things were equal. I'd rather we chased down the reality than looked to banning legislation that will not work.
On 6 Feb, 06:16, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > Interesting, but not surprising. > > On Feb 5, 11:01 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The study of the evolutionary roots of crime began with the work of > > Martin Daly and Margo Wilson, a married couple who work at McMaster > > University in Canada. They looked at what is usually regarded as the > > most serious crime of all, murder. That murderers are usually young > > men is well known, but Dr Daly and Dr Wilson dug a bit deeper. They > > discovered that although the murder rate varies from place to place, > > the pattern does not. Plot the rate against the age of the perpetrator > > and the peak is the same. Moreover, the pattern of the victims is > > similar. They, too, are mostly young men. In the original study, 86% > > of the victims of male killers aged between 15 and 19 were also male. > > This is the clue as to what is going on. Most violence (and thus most > > murder, which is simply violence’s most extreme expression) is a > > consequence of competition between young, unemployed, unmarried men. > > In the view of Darwinists, these men are either competing for women > > directly (“You looking at my girl, Jimmy?”) or competing for status > > (“You dissing me, man?”). I can't reproduce the graph here, but it is > > "killing proof" - the data is undeniable. > > > On 6 Feb, 00:03, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > “…Unfortunately, criminals have guns and therefore people must have > > > the right to own a weapon comparable to that of the intruder….” – SD > > > > I agree. And, again, since often said ‘intruder/criminal’ is the > > > government > > > itself….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMB-rnHo5eI&feature=PlayList&p=B9F278C... > > > > On Feb 5, 7:53 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes Ian, the Constitution, the Bible and other works are merely > > > > representative of the time in which they were drafted. I see them now > > > > as antiquated relics of the past. However, laws aside, morals > > > > abandoned, let's address the issue for what it really is. Our innate > > > > sense of fear and self preservation takes precedence over any and all > > > > law except the law of nature itself. In ancient pre-gun history > > > > people defended themselves with weaponry that was relevant to the > > > > time. No one did not own a sword because it was against the law to > > > > own. Swords killed as it was their purpose to do so. People did not > > > > hunt with swords, they used arrow and spear, but that is not the > > > > point. When there was an intrusion whether upon a home or a community > > > > from a hostile neighboring clan, people gathered their weaponry to > > > > defend themselves. They were not helpless due to a law that forbade > > > > them the right to own arms. The intruders were no less and no more > > > > armed and the confrontation was on equal ground. Weapons in our time > > > > have changed, even owning a gun may not match up to the weapon of the > > > > intruder should it be a machine gun, but what remains the same is the > > > > right to bear arms for self preservation. > > > > Now, if my government could "guarantee", which it can't, that no one > > > > will have possession of guns then I would feel more comfortable > > > > knowing that if an intruder broke into my home he would not have a > > > > firearm. Unfortunately, criminals have guns and therefore people must > > > > have the right to own a weapon comparable to that of the intruder. > > > > No one can take away our right of self preservation via any means > > > > available. You can't fight a war with rocks when the enemy has > > > > cannons. Defending ourselves, as citizens, against criminals "IS" a > > > > war. I know I can't depend on the police department as they might > > > > just as soon shoot me instead of the criminal. I'd rather just simply > > > > disable the intruder and then call the police. > > > > Unfortunately, humans are a species which finds self predation a > > > > viable means of survival, it's cannibalism. Don't have any money? > > > > Just kill your neighbor and take his. Don't have any food? Just kill > > > > the people at the market and take what you need. Need a car? Just > > > > steal one from someone else. It's the sad state of the human > > > > condition, it is sickness, it is sad, but as long as it is the way it > > > > is, I won't have any qualms about taking out some of the garbage. > > > > Obviously the government thinks it is better to put murderers and > > > > rapists in prison for awhile and then let them out so they can kill > > > > and rape again. Society would be better off without these defective > > > > people but probably the influence of chrisitians in government changed > > > > the way we mete out justice, not sure, just glad I'm not one. > > > > > On Feb 5, 8:53 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > 2009/2/5 Lee <[email protected]> > > > > > > > My comment about America, is really my admision that I have no idea > > > > > > what should be done for the best there. Many Americans will not > > > > > > give > > > > > > up their right to bear arms, and as it is enshrined in their law, > > > > > > then > > > > > > I really don't see why they should, however the title of this thread > > > > > > is Guns in Britain, and as a residant I say that we neither require > > > > > > them nor want them. > > > > > > Lee, there does seem to be almost doctrinal reverence given to U.S. > > > > > Constitution and Bill of Rights. Being English I don't get it at all, > > > > > especially considering how continuously the articles are exploited > > > > > beyond > > > > > their original purpose and all the ill that has come of them. Maybe > > > > > the > > > > > Constitution would have been less like horseshit had Jefferson and > > > > > Adams -- > > > > > who have always struck me as the only sharp tools in a box of very > > > > > dull ones > > > > > -- not been in France smoking opium during the Philadelphia > > > > > Convention? > > > > > > I'm mostly joking, of course, but I do hold to the point that writing > > > > > something down 218 years ago (which may have seemed like a really > > > > > idea at > > > > > the time) is probably due a blank piece of a paper by now. Even > > > > > Christians > > > > > treat the Bible like a wiki, maybe the Colonials should follow this > > > > > example > > > > > with their moldy Constitution? > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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