“…Unfortunately, criminals have guns and therefore people must have the right to own a weapon comparable to that of the intruder….” – SD
I agree. And, again, since often said ‘intruder/criminal’ is the government itself…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMB-rnHo5eI&feature=PlayList&p=B9F278CD060484E8&playnext=1&index=4 On Feb 5, 7:53 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Ian, the Constitution, the Bible and other works are merely > representative of the time in which they were drafted. I see them now > as antiquated relics of the past. However, laws aside, morals > abandoned, let's address the issue for what it really is. Our innate > sense of fear and self preservation takes precedence over any and all > law except the law of nature itself. In ancient pre-gun history > people defended themselves with weaponry that was relevant to the > time. No one did not own a sword because it was against the law to > own. Swords killed as it was their purpose to do so. People did not > hunt with swords, they used arrow and spear, but that is not the > point. When there was an intrusion whether upon a home or a community > from a hostile neighboring clan, people gathered their weaponry to > defend themselves. They were not helpless due to a law that forbade > them the right to own arms. The intruders were no less and no more > armed and the confrontation was on equal ground. Weapons in our time > have changed, even owning a gun may not match up to the weapon of the > intruder should it be a machine gun, but what remains the same is the > right to bear arms for self preservation. > Now, if my government could "guarantee", which it can't, that no one > will have possession of guns then I would feel more comfortable > knowing that if an intruder broke into my home he would not have a > firearm. Unfortunately, criminals have guns and therefore people must > have the right to own a weapon comparable to that of the intruder. > No one can take away our right of self preservation via any means > available. You can't fight a war with rocks when the enemy has > cannons. Defending ourselves, as citizens, against criminals "IS" a > war. I know I can't depend on the police department as they might > just as soon shoot me instead of the criminal. I'd rather just simply > disable the intruder and then call the police. > Unfortunately, humans are a species which finds self predation a > viable means of survival, it's cannibalism. Don't have any money? > Just kill your neighbor and take his. Don't have any food? Just kill > the people at the market and take what you need. Need a car? Just > steal one from someone else. It's the sad state of the human > condition, it is sickness, it is sad, but as long as it is the way it > is, I won't have any qualms about taking out some of the garbage. > Obviously the government thinks it is better to put murderers and > rapists in prison for awhile and then let them out so they can kill > and rape again. Society would be better off without these defective > people but probably the influence of chrisitians in government changed > the way we mete out justice, not sure, just glad I'm not one. > > On Feb 5, 8:53 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > 2009/2/5 Lee <[email protected]> > > > > My comment about America, is really my admision that I have no idea > > > what should be done for the best there. Many Americans will not give > > > up their right to bear arms, and as it is enshrined in their law, then > > > I really don't see why they should, however the title of this thread > > > is Guns in Britain, and as a residant I say that we neither require > > > them nor want them. > > > Lee, there does seem to be almost doctrinal reverence given to U.S. > > Constitution and Bill of Rights. Being English I don't get it at all, > > especially considering how continuously the articles are exploited beyond > > their original purpose and all the ill that has come of them. Maybe the > > Constitution would have been less like horseshit had Jefferson and Adams -- > > who have always struck me as the only sharp tools in a box of very dull ones > > -- not been in France smoking opium during the Philadelphia Convention? > > > I'm mostly joking, of course, but I do hold to the point that writing > > something down 218 years ago (which may have seemed like a really idea at > > the time) is probably due a blank piece of a paper by now. Even Christians > > treat the Bible like a wiki, maybe the Colonials should follow this example > > with their moldy Constitution? > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
