so true
On Feb 6, 11:57 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> What is Freedom or Liberty, or Emancipation... and how does that all
> work in an interactive "social" or even a more specific economic
> group
> setting? Indeed - I'm reminded that Anthony Flew, in answering "what
> is courage?" simply wrote "this is" leaving the rest of his exam paper
> blank. I believe we make a mistake if we try to establish such stuff
> without working out how we intend to allow others into the decisions
> and creating - and this is a very complex question involving what we
> have been calling democracy. The trick would be a form of argument
> more than chattering class dross and a system of planned evaluations
> as matters progressed. It's my view we would not be focused on words,
> but forms of some kind, especially in the leadership-followership
> area. I have no doubt we need emancipation, but presumably not to my
> whim or the next Mugabe. There is much we could learn from groupwork
> here and the extent to which we remain ape in bids for leadership and
> the rest. This stuff needs to get into our talking and feeling in
> different ways than we are used to.
>
> On 5 Feb, 23:11, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Zizek said something somewhere about being able to talk without fear
> > of chronic power relations. I think the dismal existential position
> > is a combination of this fear and a kind of mock bravery in its face.
> > We need some fellowship before we can speak thus.
>
> > On 5 Feb, 10:42, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > If you believe someone is hiding something from you and/or oneself and
> > > you don't ask that person about it, you have to wait for a revelation.
> > > Same applies to flowers in a four season area.
>
> > > On 5 Feb., 03:36, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > gabbers, is that what is meant by revelation? (along with faith of
> > > > course.)
>
> > > > On Feb 4, 1:52 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Interesting perspective, very artsy indeed. The casual Christian bible
> > > > > believer is taught that the beaten down Jesus on the cross is the
> > > > > devine son, is me in another dimension, so to speak.
>
> > > > > On 4 Feb., 21:27, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The 'beaten down' aspect comes from existentialism in general. This
> > > > > > misaprehension denies us of the divine.
>
> > > > > > On Feb 4, 9:00 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I would add that one does not need to know what human
> > > > > > > emancipation is
> > > > > > > before trying to create it, or perhaps better, "go for it". I
> > > > > > > suspect
> > > > > > > most humans are actually so beaten down that they do not imagine a
> > > > > > > future as part of their present.
>
> > > > > > > On 4 Feb, 16:55, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Yes Neil, when the focus is on words, true wisdom is missed.
> > > > > > > > Some do lean toward being practical, including analysis. Others
> > > > > > > > towards doing a comparison with the past. And, there exist the
> > > > > > > > empaths. We know all three and seldom know why we lean toward
> > > > > > > > one over
> > > > > > > > the other.
>
> > > > > > > > On Feb 3, 10:15 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > The answer is that Foucault couldn't reduce any anxiety and
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > Derrida has really only shown we should be less sure of more
> > > > > > > > > or less
> > > > > > > > > everything, which I do find reassuring. The warning in both
> > > > > > > > > is about
> > > > > > > > > totalising forms of thinking. My preference is for good old
> > > > > > > > > American
> > > > > > > > > pragmatism and practical scientific methods where we can
> > > > > > > > > apply them.
> > > > > > > > > Derrida can be read as asserting poetics and humour. There
> > > > > > > > > is a long
> > > > > > > > > history of aporia, which we might take as revelling in roads
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > nowhere, as in the song, or as despair in Wittgenstein that
> > > > > > > > > language
> > > > > > > > > bewitches us in making us ask the same old questions, rather
> > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > devise new ones.
>
> > > > > > > > > On 1 Feb, 03:52, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Yeah, and when you get to where that road take you,
> > > > > > > > > > be sure to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
>
> > > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
>
> > > > > > > > > > dj
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:09 AM, nominal9
> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello Paul:
> > > > > > > > > > > I am "diametrically opposed" epistemologically to the
> > > > > > > > > > > Phenomenalist
> > > > > > > > > > > position. Nice to meet you, however....
> > > > > > > > > > > "Does Merleau-Ponty 'fill in the gaps' that Heidegger
> > > > > > > > > > > left?".... Blind
> > > > > > > > > > > leading the Blind....
> > > > > > > > > > > " Do Foucault or Derrida give you a path out of modern
> > > > > > > > > > > anxiety?
> > > > > > > > > > > ".....Follow the Yellow Brick Road.....
>
> > > > > > > > > > > nominal9
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 30, 6:36 am, Paul Grieg <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> This is one of my favourite philosophy interviews:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaGk6S1qhz0&feature=related
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Can any of you answer these questions:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Does Merleau-Ponty 'fill in the gaps' that Heidegger
> > > > > > > > > > >> left?
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Do Foucault or Derrida give you a path out of modern
> > > > > > > > > > >> anxiety?- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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