Wow, Gruff, don't I envy your unliable state of such delectable freedoms ! Seriously.
On 2 Mar, 00:32, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > I may be the outlaw, outlier, oddball on this issue, but I've always > regarded property as owning you rather than you owning property. You > never finish paying for it (assessments, property taxes, maintenance, > etc.). You have to pay fees and commissions to buy property and pay > fees and commissions again when you sell it. You have to protect it > with homestead declarations and a plethora of insurance to cover all > the possibilities that insurance does it's best to exempt itself from > paying. You can't pack up your property and move it to a new location > if you get some lousy neighbors, and you're always subject to lawsuits > and other claims from careless transgressors, trespassers and > tradesmen. Owning property has never struck me as such a good > deal. > > I own my RV which, since it's got wheels, fulfills my primary > consideration -- mobility. I have no insurance on anything except for > the absolute minimum required by law (liability only). Of course I > also have no responsibilities: no wife, no kids, no debt, no property, > and no headaches. > > On Feb 26, 5:54 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes it is. I rented for 13 years before I broke down and bought the > > house. In September of last hear; how's that for timing? I do love > > the house and I'm proud to own it. If the day comes when I can't > > afford it I will sell it before my lack of funds let the house get run > > down. I have too much respect for the house and my neighbors to let > > that happen. > > > You know it just occurred to me the biggest social problem we have is > > the lack of respect payed to one another. I feel disrespected by my > > elected reps. and at the same time frustrated with a lot of my fellow > > citizen's apparent lack of respect for themselves. What happened to > > personal dignity? It can't be given to you, it comes from within. > > > I'm sensing a new Tea Party folks. > > > dj > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:17 PM, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "... Now our government is trying to keep deadbeats in houses they > > > can't afford and shouldn't have gotten loans for in the first place. > > > It's asinine." - DJ > > > > What is even more 'asinine' and is not being talked about at ALL in > > > any media is that those of us who don't even own a house, whether we > > > could afford one or not ...and rent or...whatever, live on the street, > > > at parent's home etc. are among those who are PAYING the banks to help > > > keep people in homes! It's not even asinine, it is criminal! > > > > On Feb 26, 2:42 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Government is the problem because they manage the tax code. It's so > > >> confusing the guy hired to be in charge of it can't figure out how to > > >> pay his taxes. Let's make it easy. How about a flat tax on all > > >> income and consumption? Without the loopholes that are so abundant > > >> for the extremely wealthy to avoid taxes. I love the idea. Of > > >> course, this would eliminate Congress's major power of > > >> reward/punishment ability so it will never happen. The bribes...oops, > > >> I mean campaign donations... would dry up. > > > >> dj > > > >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:45 PM, ornamentalmind > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > Yes, it is fran. Today many who pay a lot in taxes, not percentage > > >> > wise, but in amount based on a large income don't mind at all. Only a > > >> > select vocal few are heard in the media to the point that such > > >> > propaganda about the government being the problem (Ronnie)....has > > >> > become a common myth. I've said it many times...when I was a kid, my > > >> > father paid 91% of his income in taxes...and, we did VERY well....no > > >> > complaints. Today, in most cases, the poor pay a higher percentage of > > >> > their income in taxes than the rich. Robin Hood aside, this is absurd > > >> > no matter the argument. > > > >> > On Feb 25, 9:28 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> Don's - of course - purely rhetorical suggestion about the non-payment > > >> >> of taxes seems to echo a certain US American mythology that there's > > >> >> something un-american about paying taxes, as well as there being > > >> >> something inherently suspect about (central) government. > > > >> >> Nobody likes paying taxes and very few would even consider paying more > > >> >> than they absolutely have to - including me. But I must also > > >> >> acknowledge that taxation is the basic method for paying for things > > >> >> which a country/community/society feels need to be organised > > >> >> collectively. It belongs to the basic ideas of self-definition of a > > >> >> country/community/society to decide what these collective tasks are > > >> >> and how far they should be funded by the common purse. > > > >> >> Even as a non-US American, I seem to remember that the rallying cry > > >> >> for the American Revolution was not, "No taxation," but rather "No > > >> >> taxation without representation." The USA established itself on this > > >> >> basis as a representative democracy. Everything else flows from that. > > >> >> To use the language of 18th Century political thinkers, that's the > > >> >> basic social contract and there's no way to opt out of it and back to > > >> >> the "state of nature." As far as I recall, the US fought a rather > > >> >> spectacular civil war about that very issue. Those who wanted the > > >> >> right to opt out lost. > > > >> >> None of this, of course, addresses problems of injustice within > > >> >> particular taxation systems. But, strictly seen, that's what has to be > > >> >> sorted out within the representative democracy framework. Or, if your > > >> >> conscientious objections lead you to refuse, then you must accept the > > >> >> consequences. In my opinion, that's the kind of bravery Orn is talking > > >> >> about. > > > >> >> Francis > > > >> >> On 25 Feb., 16:50, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > First, since the US stopped being serious about tariffs, taxes are > > >> >> > needed for the common good. The IRS has been under-funded for years > > >> >> > and the result(s) is they only go after those accounts that will be > > >> >> > easy to collect. read: the accounts of the non-powerful/non-rich. > > >> >> > Our founding fathers not only decided not to continue to pay their > > >> >> > taxes, but they took action that would have resulted in their death > > >> >> > if > > >> >> > caught. Almost to a man, they died in poverty. Few today are as > > >> >> > brave. > > > >> >> > On Feb 24, 6:41 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > > Sure, the Duty of Civil Disobedience, good ole Thoreau. > > >> >> > > Truthfully, > > >> >> > > they already have the tax money, now it's people filing returns > > >> >> > > hoping > > >> >> > > to get something back from the forced prepay plan. You can't get > > >> >> > > a > > >> >> > > job at any corporation if you tell them you will pay your own > > >> >> > > taxes > > >> >> > > from a 1099. The IRS spends hundreds of thousands on paper alone > > >> >> > > plus > > >> >> > > millions on salaried collectors and yes men. > > > >> >> > > On Feb 24, 7:05 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > I'm against rioting in the streets but I'm all for civil > > >> >> > > > disobedience. > > >> >> > > > If we en mass refused to pay federal taxes for last year I > > >> >> > > > think we > > >> >> > > > might get Washington's attention. Start simply by applying for > > >> >> > > > extensions and taking every legal route to delay paying right > > >> >> > > > up until > > >> >> > > > the court order to pay and then just quietly say "No." > > > >> >> > > > Whatta ya say gang? Who's with me? > > > >> >> > > > dj > > > >> >> > > > Disclaimer: Above suggestion is purely rhetorical and I have no > > >> >> > > > intention of disobeying the law or avoiding my fiscal > > >> >> > > > obligation to my > > >> >> > > > country. Nor am I aware of any group planning to do so. All > > >> >> > > > Hail > > >> >> > > > Obama! His truth is shining on. > > > >> >> > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > >> >> > > > wrote: > > > >> >> > > > > That's what we need to happen gruff, then the world will > > >> >> > > > > realize that > > >> >> > > > > we never really did need the bashstards (scot accent) and > > >> >> > > > > that we can > > >> >> > > > > "Grow Food" without them. Banks are a system for the wealthy > > >> >> > > > > and that > > >> >> > > > > is why they are giving billions of dollars to the > > >> >> > > > > unscrupulous creeps > > >> >> > > > > that are throwing people out on the street instead of giving > > >> >> > > > > the money > > >> >> > > > > to the people who really need it. It's protectionism for > > >> >> > > > > society's > > >> >> > > > > elite. Are the banks lowering interest rates and > > >> >> > > > > refinancing? NO!! > > >> >> > > > > Illinois based Northern Trust just took $1.6 Billion dollars > > >> >> > > > > from the > > >> >> > > > > tax payers and went on a vacation jaunt in Southern > > >> >> > > > > California and > > >> >> > > > > hired the Band Chicago for $100,000, this all with Tax Payer > > >> >> > > > > Money. > > >> >> > > > > These people are spitting on us. Tax breaks that are going > > >> >> > > > > to give a > > >> >> > > > > family an extra $65 a month is pathetic. $600 to $1200 per > > >> >> > > > > family > > >> >> > > > > stimulus money is pathetic. They should give everyone > > >> >> > > > > $100,000 to > > >> >> > > > > stimulate the economy, but you see it's the economy of the > > >> >> > > > > rich that > > >> >> > > > > they want to stimulate. There will be rioting in the streets > > >> >> > > > > even if > > >> >> > > > > the banks don't collapse because people are starting to > > >> >> > > > > realize what > > >> >> > > > > Schleps they are and how tied into the economic Slavery > > >> >> > > > > program they > > >> >> > > > > are. Why should I give money to a bank that is throwing my > > >> >> > > > > friend out > > >> >> > > > > on the street when I could give the money to my friend > > >> >> > > > > instead? To > > >> >> > > > > Hell with the Bashstards!! > > > >> >> > > > > On Feb 23, 8:16 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> Banks, more than any other industry, can't be allowed to > > >> >> > > > >> fail. > > >> >> > > > >> Financing and credit are so interwoven into the economies of > > >> >> > > > >> all > > >> >> > > > >> nations that should the banks fail > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
