Well, in a sense we are one....however, I'm sure you are talking about being in a trance...imposed by propaganda.
On Mar 2, 6:02 pm, wood <[email protected]> wrote: > As much as I would love to blame, the government for this mess, but > the government is not entirely to blame—The problem is closer to home. > People only have themselves to blame for putting themselves into > situation they could have avoid only if they were mentally stronger, > and not be blinded by false dreams and value. In trying to live the > “American dreams” people makes premature decision; buying house they > know they cannot afford, cars they can’t maintain… All for what? > People need to change their outlook on life and stop falling victim to > mind imprisonment. In the drive to establish independency and > individuality, everyone has become the same. > > On Feb 26, 4:17 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "... Now our government is trying to keep deadbeats in houses they > > can't afford and shouldn't have gotten loans for in the first place. > > It's asinine." - DJ > > > What is even more 'asinine' and is not being talked about at ALL in > > any media is that those of us who don't even own a house, whether we > > could afford one or not ...and rent or...whatever, live on the street, > > at parent's home etc. are among those who are PAYING the banks to help > > keep people in homes! It's not even asinine, it is criminal! > > > On Feb 26, 2:42 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Government is the problem because they manage the tax code. It's so > > > confusing the guy hired to be in charge of it can't figure out how to > > > pay his taxes. Let's make it easy. How about a flat tax on all > > > income and consumption? Without the loopholes that are so abundant > > > for the extremely wealthy to avoid taxes. I love the idea. Of > > > course, this would eliminate Congress's major power of > > > reward/punishment ability so it will never happen. The bribes...oops, > > > I mean campaign donations... would dry up. > > > > dj > > > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:45 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes, it is fran. Today many who pay a lot in taxes, not percentage > > > > wise, but in amount based on a large income don't mind at all. Only a > > > > select vocal few are heard in the media to the point that such > > > > propaganda about the government being the problem (Ronnie)....has > > > > become a common myth. I've said it many times...when I was a kid, my > > > > father paid 91% of his income in taxes...and, we did VERY well....no > > > > complaints. Today, in most cases, the poor pay a higher percentage of > > > > their income in taxes than the rich. Robin Hood aside, this is absurd > > > > no matter the argument. > > > > > On Feb 25, 9:28 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Don's - of course - purely rhetorical suggestion about the non-payment > > > >> of taxes seems to echo a certain US American mythology that there's > > > >> something un-american about paying taxes, as well as there being > > > >> something inherently suspect about (central) government. > > > > >> Nobody likes paying taxes and very few would even consider paying more > > > >> than they absolutely have to - including me. But I must also > > > >> acknowledge that taxation is the basic method for paying for things > > > >> which a country/community/society feels need to be organised > > > >> collectively. It belongs to the basic ideas of self-definition of a > > > >> country/community/society to decide what these collective tasks are > > > >> and how far they should be funded by the common purse. > > > > >> Even as a non-US American, I seem to remember that the rallying cry > > > >> for the American Revolution was not, "No taxation," but rather "No > > > >> taxation without representation." The USA established itself on this > > > >> basis as a representative democracy. Everything else flows from that. > > > >> To use the language of 18th Century political thinkers, that's the > > > >> basic social contract and there's no way to opt out of it and back to > > > >> the "state of nature." As far as I recall, the US fought a rather > > > >> spectacular civil war about that very issue. Those who wanted the > > > >> right to opt out lost. > > > > >> None of this, of course, addresses problems of injustice within > > > >> particular taxation systems. But, strictly seen, that's what has to be > > > >> sorted out within the representative democracy framework. Or, if your > > > >> conscientious objections lead you to refuse, then you must accept the > > > >> consequences. In my opinion, that's the kind of bravery Orn is talking > > > >> about. > > > > >> Francis > > > > >> On 25 Feb., 16:50, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > First, since the US stopped being serious about tariffs, taxes are > > > >> > needed for the common good. The IRS has been under-funded for years > > > >> > and the result(s) is they only go after those accounts that will be > > > >> > easy to collect. read: the accounts of the non-powerful/non-rich. > > > >> > Our founding fathers not only decided not to continue to pay their > > > >> > taxes, but they took action that would have resulted in their death > > > >> > if > > > >> > caught. Almost to a man, they died in poverty. Few today are as > > > >> > brave. > > > > >> > On Feb 24, 6:41 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > Sure, the Duty of Civil Disobedience, good ole Thoreau. Truthfully, > > > >> > > they already have the tax money, now it's people filing returns > > > >> > > hoping > > > >> > > to get something back from the forced prepay plan. You can't get a > > > >> > > job at any corporation if you tell them you will pay your own taxes > > > >> > > from a 1099. The IRS spends hundreds of thousands on paper alone > > > >> > > plus > > > >> > > millions on salaried collectors and yes men. > > > > >> > > On Feb 24, 7:05 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > I'm against rioting in the streets but I'm all for civil > > > >> > > > disobedience. > > > >> > > > If we en mass refused to pay federal taxes for last year I think > > > >> > > > we > > > >> > > > might get Washington's attention. Start simply by applying for > > > >> > > > extensions and taking every legal route to delay paying right up > > > >> > > > until > > > >> > > > the court order to pay and then just quietly say "No." > > > > >> > > > Whatta ya say gang? Who's with me? > > > > >> > > > dj > > > > >> > > > Disclaimer: Above suggestion is purely rhetorical and I have no > > > >> > > > intention of disobeying the law or avoiding my fiscal obligation > > > >> > > > to my > > > >> > > > country. Nor am I aware of any group planning to do so. All > > > >> > > > Hail > > > >> > > > Obama! His truth is shining on. > > > > >> > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > That's what we need to happen gruff, then the world will > > > >> > > > > realize that > > > >> > > > > we never really did need the bashstards (scot accent) and that > > > >> > > > > we can > > > >> > > > > "Grow Food" without them. Banks are a system for the wealthy > > > >> > > > > and that > > > >> > > > > is why they are giving billions of dollars to the unscrupulous > > > >> > > > > creeps > > > >> > > > > that are throwing people out on the street instead of giving > > > >> > > > > the money > > > >> > > > > to the people who really need it. It's protectionism for > > > >> > > > > society's > > > >> > > > > elite. Are the banks lowering interest rates and refinancing? > > > >> > > > > NO!! > > > >> > > > > Illinois based Northern Trust just took $1.6 Billion dollars > > > >> > > > > from the > > > >> > > > > tax payers and went on a vacation jaunt in Southern California > > > >> > > > > and > > > >> > > > > hired the Band Chicago for $100,000, this all with Tax Payer > > > >> > > > > Money. > > > >> > > > > These people are spitting on us. Tax breaks that are going to > > > >> > > > > give a > > > >> > > > > family an extra $65 a month is pathetic. $600 to $1200 per > > > >> > > > > family > > > >> > > > > stimulus money is pathetic. They should give everyone > > > >> > > > > $100,000 to > > > >> > > > > stimulate the economy, but you see it's the economy of the > > > >> > > > > rich that > > > >> > > > > they want to stimulate. There will be rioting in the streets > > > >> > > > > even if > > > >> > > > > the banks don't collapse because people are starting to > > > >> > > > > realize what > > > >> > > > > Schleps they are and how tied into the economic Slavery > > > >> > > > > program they > > > >> > > > > are. Why should I give money to a bank that is throwing my > > > >> > > > > friend out > > > >> > > > > on the street when I could give the money to my friend > > > >> > > > > instead? To > > > >> > > > > Hell with the Bashstards!! > > > > >> > > > > On Feb 23, 8:16 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Banks, more than any other industry, can't be allowed to fail. > > > >> > > > >> Financing and credit are so interwoven into the economies of > > > >> > > > >> all > > > >> > > > >> nations that should the banks fail the entire economy would go > > > >> > > > >> bust. This may not be right but, as one talking head noted > > > >> > > > >> yesterday on the tube, lending has almost become a utility > > > >> > > > >> just like > > > >> > > > >> power and water. If the banks are allowed to fail, I'm > > > >> > > > >> afraid > > > >> > > > >> society and civilization as we know it will also fail. Then > > > >> > > > >> there > > > >> > > > >> will be rioting in the streets, for certain. > > > > >> > > > >> However, I agree that since the top four or five percent of > > > >> > > > >> the world > > > >> > > > >> owns and controls forty or more percent of the wealth, they > > > >> > > > >> should be > > > >> > > > >> called to account and to help. > > > > >> > > > >> On Feb 17, 3:27 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > I see people who have paid taxes for years being thrown out > > > >> > > > >> > on the > > > >> > > > >> > street by banks who are foreclosing on their homes while > > > >> > > > >> > tax payer > > > >> > > > >> > money is being doled out in billions to the same banks. > > > >> > > > >> > Who are those > > > >> > > > >> > people making millions of dollars every year taking tax > > > >> > > > >> > payers money. > > > >> > > > >> > By what right do they have to use tax money for that > > > >> > > > >> > purpose. What is > > > >> > > > >> > wrong with people in allowing this to go on? Why doesn't > > > >> > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > >> > government use tax payer money to bring mortgages up to > > > >> > > > >> > date and order > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
