British Car Auctions lost money regularly until they changed their
banking practices and took advantage of other people's money in the
overnight interest markets.  Europe should form a Girobank that has
nothing to do with "financial innovation" other than on lean
production principles.  It could have hardly any prestigious buildings
and take over the post offices ...

On 2 Mar, 22:02, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
> There are so many examples of routinely accepted bank robbery: one
> small one (though not for the banks):
>
> Unlike many national economies, which still rely a lot on cheques, the
> normal German method of payment is the direct giro bank transfer. Up
> to the digital era, this involved filling out a form with the account
> details of the payee and handing it in at your bank. It then,
> typically, took 2 to 3 working days to process the transfer.
>
> Today, all of this works electronically. The latest figures state that
> over half the Germans now do their banking online. When I make a
> transfer on-line, the sum is deducted from my account immediately. The
> interesting thing is that it still takes 2 to 3 working days fro it to
> be credited to the account of the receiver. Where has the money been
> in the meantime? Three guesses. Okay, it's only a small fraction of a
> cent in interest which such small sums can earn in 48-72 hours, but
> there are hundreds of millions of such transactions daily.
>
> The wonder is that, with the multitude of scams the banks routinely
> run, they were actually able to manage to LOOSE so much last year!
>
> Francis
>
> On 2 Mrz., 21:28, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I can confirm that the only criminals in gaol are both dumb and likely
> > to be severely mentally disturbed.  A lot of my work was concerned
> > with corruption in our armed forces and there was plenty.  I was only
> > skimming the surface there.  Even the dumb reckon they only get caught
> > once in a blue moon.  We were burgled recently and eventually got our
> > stuff back via the insurance policy.  This in the end is less
> > distressing than paying bank charges and other facets of white collar
> > crime.  The fat fees are undoubtedly stolen as the processes could be
> > routinised and the costs rendered insignificant.
>
> > I was on the track of a Ponzi scheme years back - the bloke claimed he
> > was only doing what everyone else did in the City.  He was right.  I
> > suspect if the quality technology we now have was applied across the
> > board we'd soon discover very little work is being done and that
> > financial services are even more feather-bedded than any union site
> > with the night shift asleep.  Academics are now stealing from gullible
> > kids and foreign students through false promises.  Honesty is a mug's
> > game - but then I'm a mug.
>
> > On 2 Mar, 19:36, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On the other hand, Madoff made off with trillions of free lunches, got
> > > caught, and is still living the life of Riley while he awaits charges
> > > and trial.  So at worst he'll spend a few years in some countryclub
> > > called a federal prison by any other name, get out and live like a
> > > king on the loot he'd made off with before he got caught.
>
> > > Once an FBI agent who'd come calling for some info on my neighbor who
> > > was applying for a job with the FBI got into a casual conversation
> > > about law ... at the time I was working as a paralegal and so was on
> > > the fringes of law but close enough that we could converse like two
> > > normal adults about the 'forbidden' subject -- a subject that law
> > > enforcement officers of all rank and breed do not talk about with
> > > civilians -- crime.  He admitted to my proposition that the reason we
> > > have organized crime and allow it to continue is because the
> > > alternative is far worse -- disorganized, random, impulse driven
> > > crime.  He also validated my thesis that 'crime does not pay' is just
> > > so much bullshit fed to the public; that in fact crime does pay and
> > > pays handsomely too.  And he corroborated my third thesis that the
> > > only criminals in jails are the dumb ones; the smart ones were still
> > > out there getting away with it and laughing up their sleeves.
>
> > > On Mar 2, 12:25 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Okay, I buy that except for the spiritual and emotional damage having
> > > > no conscience engenders.  But closer to reality, a blend of the two
> > > > have costs but they are small by comparison.  I feel no compunction
> > > > about beating taxes nor from taking from the public pot.  My defense
> > > > -- or rather excuse -- is that as soon as politicians, banks,
> > > > corporations and other such entities cease the same actions, I will
> > > > too.   However, in a more rational and reasoned approach, I do regret
> > > > to a small degree not paying taxes and taking government handouts.
> > > > Would that I lived in a world where such behavior was rewarded rather
> > > > than punished I think I'd be a very well balanced and  happy man.
>
> > > > On Mar 2, 11:20 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > There are free lunches Gruff, as long as one is free of conscience!
>
> > > > > On 2 Mar, 14:35, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > It may be enviable from one perspective, Vam, but there is a price 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > pay.   Not that that's an excuse for anything.  There are always
> > > > > > prices to pay.  But it's true as some wiseacre once said, there's no
> > > > > > such thing as a free lunch.
>
> > > > > > On Mar 1, 8:50 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Wow, Gruff, don't I envy your unliable state of such delectable
> > > > > > > freedoms !  Seriously.
>
> > > > > > > On 2 Mar, 00:32, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I may be the outlaw, outlier, oddball on this issue, but I've 
> > > > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > regarded property as owning you rather than you owning 
> > > > > > > > property.  You
> > > > > > > > never finish paying for it (assessments, property taxes, 
> > > > > > > > maintenance,
> > > > > > > > etc.).  You have to pay fees and commissions to buy property 
> > > > > > > > and pay
> > > > > > > > fees and commissions again when you sell it.  You have to 
> > > > > > > > protect it
> > > > > > > > with homestead declarations and a plethora of insurance to 
> > > > > > > > cover all
> > > > > > > > the possibilities that insurance does it's best to exempt 
> > > > > > > > itself from
> > > > > > > > paying.  You can't pack up your property and move it to a new 
> > > > > > > > location
> > > > > > > > if you get some lousy neighbors, and you're always subject to 
> > > > > > > > lawsuits
> > > > > > > > and other claims from careless transgressors, trespassers and
> > > > > > > > tradesmen.   Owning property has never struck me as such a good
> > > > > > > > deal.
>
> > > > > > > > I own my RV which, since it's got wheels, fulfills my primary
> > > > > > > > consideration -- mobility.  I have no insurance on anything 
> > > > > > > > except for
> > > > > > > > the absolute minimum required by law (liability only).  Of 
> > > > > > > > course I
> > > > > > > > also have no responsibilities: no wife, no kids, no debt, no 
> > > > > > > > property,
> > > > > > > > and no headaches.
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