It is fun most of the time, but it rarely gets me into trouble!
On 9 Apr, 12:03, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lee, lots of love, for your argumentative mood !
>
> On Apr 9, 1:16 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>
>
> > Meh! I think you can still say that. I mean why would an unbeliver
> > be botherd over somebody invokeing blessing upon them in the name of
> > an entity they do not belive exsists?
>
> > My I seem to be in an arguemenative mood today! ;¬)
>
> > On 9 Apr, 04:23, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > Gruff, I've always sensed that you are special !
>
> > > I was actually going to say that you are especially endowed and
> > > blessed by God. But then I remembered, you do not believe in One.
>
> > > Lots of Love.
>
> > > On Apr 8, 8:02 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Vam, in my particular case (see Venger above) there is the strong
> > > > likelihood that this surgeon removed only one of two subdural
> > > > hematomas hoping for a return engagement at $35,000 to remove the
> > > > other one. My body however cheated the man out of his extra gain when
> > > > it absorbed the second hematoma all on its own.
>
> > > > On Apr 7, 8:47 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > You may be missing the point. Is a doctor moral if he chooses to let a
> > > > > patient die if he is not paid " so much," when he is actually in a
> > > > > position to save the life ?
>
> > > > > A possible solution may be for the state to subsidise the cost of
> > > > > study and training, so that doctors are not under such pressure to
> > > > > make " so much " in the shortest possible time ( yesterday ! ).
>
> > > > > I recall Dr Rieux's character in The Plague, written by Albert Camus.
>
> > > > > On Apr 7, 7:32 pm, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Agree with Molly. I don't understand any of the financial arguments
> > > > > > presented.
>
> > > > > > Some people cut trees down for a living, and make a certain amount
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > money per year doing it. Some people lend money for a living, and
> > > > > > make a certain amount of money per year doing it. In the former
> > > > > > case,
> > > > > > you trade the trees for money. In the latter case, it's the
> > > > > > difference between what the borrowing rate and the interest rate
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > lets you make money. Nothing immoral about it. Only reason some
> > > > > > people, and various religions, feel that charging interest is
> > > > > > immoral
> > > > > > is because of the fact that we didn't really evolve to understand
> > > > > > abstract ways of making money. Sell wood? Sure. Make a living off
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > spread? Harder to understand. But why immoral?
>
> > > > > > As for medicine: Why are doctors paid so much? Because they're among
> > > > > > the more talented people in society (i.e., intelligent - look at
> > > > > > medical school acceptance rates), and they spend much longer in
> > > > > > training than other people, so they have to be compensated by a lot
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > make the profession economically worthwhile. If doctors were paid
> > > > > > less, more people who would otherwise be doctors would become
> > > > > > lawyers,
> > > > > > and medical care wouldn't be as good as it is now. So where would
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > morality be in that? Is every potential doctor who chooses to be a
> > > > > > lawyer because the pay's better an immoral person?
>
> > > > > > On Apr 7, 2:55 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Frayed knot is an interesting way of putting it.
>
> > > > > > > I think society is more immoral than moral. I think most people
> > > > > > > agree that
> > > > > > > killing some one is wrong. My problem with morality is when
> > > > > > > some one
> > > > > > > charges excessive interest like in credit cards (my wife and I
> > > > > > > have one --
> > > > > > > and it is for emergencies only -- then immediately paid off )
> > > > > > > justifying
> > > > > > > this as sound business when in reality to me it seems like this
> > > > > > > greed is a
> > > > > > > way of slowly killing some one, or Like ( i do have a very good
> > > > > > > health
> > > > > > > insurance.) when I ended up in the hospital a few years back in
> > > > > > > the USA and
> > > > > > > the bill exceeded $8,000. for 24 hour stay.. basically to get my
> > > > > > > heart beat
> > > > > > > stabilized and watched. I saw 2 doctors for a total of 10
> > > > > > > minutes..
> > > > > > > If I did not have insurance i would have an huge medical bill and
> > > > > > > to pay it
> > > > > > > I would have had to take food of my table to pay the bill. To me
> > > > > > > if a person
> > > > > > > is forced to pay an excessive amount to cover a bill cutting back
> > > > > > > on normal
> > > > > > > expenses to pay it,, the hospital is killing that person.
>
> > > > > > > or by charging excessive rent.. or a myriad of other ways of
> > > > > > > killing some
> > > > > > > one legally .. the slower the better..
>
> > > > > > > On my savings account I am paid a meager 2.6 % but if I want to
> > > > > > > borrow money
> > > > > > > I have to pay 9.8% If I depended upon that interest for my living
> > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > corporate greed would be killing me.. and this difference is
> > > > > > > immoral yet it
> > > > > > > is easily justified as business.
>
> > > > > > > I think people many people only want to appear to be moral yet
> > > > > > > at the same
> > > > > > > time want to use business or corporations to hide their
> > > > > > > immorality.
>
> > > > > > > The only conclusion I can reach is people prefer to be immoral.
> > > > > > > Just talking
> > > > > > > the talk not walking the walk of morality.
>
> > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Molly Brogan
> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Evil reconciled to good? Frayed knot!
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 10:18 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Why is evil always so hard to nail down or why does it seem
> > > > > > > > > that no
> > > > > > > > > one really wants to identify it but simply dissect the
> > > > > > > > > potentiality of
> > > > > > > > > what it may define. You don't consider anything on the video
> > > > > > > > > as evil
> > > > > > > > > but do recognize it as bad, horrifying and obscene, which
> > > > > > > > > basically
> > > > > > > > > covers the face of evil, but rather bypass evil
> > > > > > > > > representation to
> > > > > > > > > bring attention to religious aspects, which by the way I
> > > > > > > > > agree with
> > > > > > > > > 100%, don't burn your steak here. The dark ages are still
> > > > > > > > > upon us
> > > > > > > > > brother and while technology creates a vision of advancement,
> > > > > > > > > attitudes and behaviours create a different picture, the
> > > > > > > > > picture of
> > > > > > > > > reality, of good and of evil. I feel we must somehow find
> > > > > > > > > resolve in
> > > > > > > > > the issue of what is evil. We have here a collection of
> > > > > > > > > brilliant
> > > > > > > > > minds, myself excluded lol, and so we can somehow be
> > > > > > > > > assertive in our
> > > > > > > > > resolve. I find too many threads wind up as fray ends.
> > > > > > > > > Which reminds
> > > > > > > > > me of a thread that walked into a bar, the bartender said "we
> > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > serve threads", so the thread walked out, shredded out it's
> > > > > > > > > end and
> > > > > > > > > tied itself into a loop, walked back into the bar, the
> > > > > > > > > bartender
> > > > > > > > > noticed and immediately and irately said, "damn, I told you
> > > > > > > > > we don't
> > > > > > > > > serve threads in here", the thread responded "I'm not a
> > > > > > > > > thread" at
> > > > > > > > > which the bartender scowled, "you are so" and so the thread
> > > > > > > > > having the
> > > > > > > > > last word said "nope, I'm a frayed knot".
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 12:26 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > Thanks Slip. I don't really consider what is going on in
> > > > > > > > > > the video
> > > > > > > > > > and what it represents as evil. It is bad, it is
> > > > > > > > > > horrifying, it is
> > > > > > > > > > obscene, but it is also no more than religion battling it's
> > > > > > > > > > fiercest
> > > > > > > > > > foe -- education and enlightenment. On the other hand,
> > > > > > > > > > religion
> > > > > > > > > > considers education and enlightenment evil -- the work of
> > > > > > > > > > the devil.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 2:05 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the video gruff, it was overwhelmingly sad but
> > > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > enlightening as to the seriousness and the dilemma of
> > > > > > > > > > > these people.
> > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > takes me back over to the other thread, Does Evil Exist.
> > > > > > > > > > > One only
> > > > > > > > > > > needs to watch this video for the answer.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 3:38 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a good reason for moral behavior -- call it
> > > > > > > > > > > > what you like
> > > > > > > > (we
> > > > > > > > > > > > are our brother's keeper, the golden rule, do unto
> > > > > > > > > > > > others, etc.) --
> > > > > > > >http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/02/22/world/asia/1194838044017/cl...
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