That though is a whole barrel of worms. Really, and I mean really, can you think of any act in which no harm to others has been created?
On 8 Apr, 07:47, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Don you are right even though we have low subsidized rates there seems to > be a greed factor. > > Doing things for personal gain is the only honest way to live your > life. I do things all the time because I know loved ones appreciate > it and love me back and do stuff for me. I'm selfish to the core. I > love the attention. > > I agree doing things for personal gain is of value,, when the personal gain > harms your fellow man, it is not and can not be morally considered honest. > > Can you consider excessive bonuses to people who's actions caused a > corporation to fail honest especially when this comes out of taxpayers > pockets?. > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > A possible solution may be for the state to subsidise the cost of > > > study and training, so that doctors are not under such pressure to > > > make " so much " in the shortest possible time ( yesterday ! ). > > > We do that already through very low interest rate loans for collage > > students and grants and scholarships. > > > dj > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > You may be missing the point. Is a doctor moral if he chooses to let a > > > patient die if he is not paid " so much," when he is actually in a > > > position to save the life ? > > > > A possible solution may be for the state to subsidise the cost of > > > study and training, so that doctors are not under such pressure to > > > make " so much " in the shortest possible time ( yesterday ! ). > > > > I recall Dr Rieux's character in The Plague, written by Albert Camus. > > > > On Apr 7, 7:32 pm, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Agree with Molly. I don't understand any of the financial arguments > > >> presented. > > > >> Some people cut trees down for a living, and make a certain amount of > > >> money per year doing it. Some people lend money for a living, and > > >> make a certain amount of money per year doing it. In the former case, > > >> you trade the trees for money. In the latter case, it's the > > >> difference between what the borrowing rate and the interest rate that > > >> lets you make money. Nothing immoral about it. Only reason some > > >> people, and various religions, feel that charging interest is immoral > > >> is because of the fact that we didn't really evolve to understand > > >> abstract ways of making money. Sell wood? Sure. Make a living off a > > >> spread? Harder to understand. But why immoral? > > > >> As for medicine: Why are doctors paid so much? Because they're among > > >> the more talented people in society (i.e., intelligent - look at > > >> medical school acceptance rates), and they spend much longer in > > >> training than other people, so they have to be compensated by a lot to > > >> make the profession economically worthwhile. If doctors were paid > > >> less, more people who would otherwise be doctors would become lawyers, > > >> and medical care wouldn't be as good as it is now. So where would the > > >> morality be in that? Is every potential doctor who chooses to be a > > >> lawyer because the pay's better an immoral person? > > > >> On Apr 7, 2:55 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > Frayed knot is an interesting way of putting it. > > > >> > I think society is more immoral than moral. I think most people agree > > that > > >> > killing some one is wrong. My problem with morality is when some one > > >> > charges excessive interest like in credit cards (my wife and I have > > one -- > > >> > and it is for emergencies only -- then immediately paid off ) > > justifying > > >> > this as sound business when in reality to me it seems like this greed > > is a > > >> > way of slowly killing some one, or Like ( i do have a very good > > health > > >> > insurance.) when I ended up in the hospital a few years back in the > > USA and > > >> > the bill exceeded $8,000. for 24 hour stay.. basically to get my > > heart beat > > >> > stabilized and watched. I saw 2 doctors for a total of 10 minutes.. > > >> > If I did not have insurance i would have an huge medical bill and to > > pay it > > >> > I would have had to take food of my table to pay the bill. To me if a > > person > > >> > is forced to pay an excessive amount to cover a bill cutting back on > > normal > > >> > expenses to pay it,, the hospital is killing that person. > > > >> > or by charging excessive rent.. or a myriad of other ways of killing > > some > > >> > one legally .. the slower the better.. > > > >> > On my savings account I am paid a meager 2.6 % but if I want to borrow > > money > > >> > I have to pay 9.8% If I depended upon that interest for my living > > again > > >> > corporate greed would be killing me.. and this difference is immoral > > yet it > > >> > is easily justified as business. > > > >> > I think people many people only want to appear to be moral yet at the > > same > > >> > time want to use business or corporations to hide their immorality. > > > >> > The only conclusion I can reach is people prefer to be immoral. Just > > talking > > >> > the talk not walking the walk of morality. > > > >> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > > Evil reconciled to good? Frayed knot! > > > >> > > On Apr 5, 10:18 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > Why is evil always so hard to nail down or why does it seem that > > no > > >> > > > one really wants to identify it but simply dissect the > > potentiality of > > >> > > > what it may define. You don't consider anything on the video as > > evil > > >> > > > but do recognize it as bad, horrifying and obscene, which > > basically > > >> > > > covers the face of evil, but rather bypass evil representation to > > >> > > > bring attention to religious aspects, which by the way I agree > > with > > >> > > > 100%, don't burn your steak here. The dark ages are still upon us > > >> > > > brother and while technology creates a vision of advancement, > > >> > > > attitudes and behaviours create a different picture, the picture > > of > > >> > > > reality, of good and of evil. I feel we must somehow find resolve > > in > > >> > > > the issue of what is evil. We have here a collection of brilliant > > >> > > > minds, myself excluded lol, and so we can somehow be assertive in > > our > > >> > > > resolve. I find too many threads wind up as fray ends. Which > > reminds > > >> > > > me of a thread that walked into a bar, the bartender said "we > > don't > > >> > > > serve threads", so the thread walked out, shredded out it's end > > and > > >> > > > tied itself into a loop, walked back into the bar, the bartender > > >> > > > noticed and immediately and irately said, "damn, I told you we > > don't > > >> > > > serve threads in here", the thread responded "I'm not a thread" at > > >> > > > which the bartender scowled, "you are so" and so the thread having > > the > > >> > > > last word said "nope, I'm a frayed knot". > > > >> > > > On Apr 5, 12:26 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > Thanks Slip. I don't really consider what is going on in the > > video > > >> > > > > and what it represents as evil. It is bad, it is horrifying, it > > is > > >> > > > > obscene, but it is also no more than religion battling it's > > fiercest > > >> > > > > foe -- education and enlightenment. On the other hand, religion > > >> > > > > considers education and enlightenment evil -- the work of the > > devil. > > > >> > > > > On Apr 4, 2:05 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for the video gruff, it was overwhelmingly sad but very > > >> > > > > > enlightening as to the seriousness and the dilemma of these > > people. > > >> > > It > > >> > > > > > takes me back over to the other thread, Does Evil Exist. One > > only > > >> > > > > > needs to watch this video for the answer. > > > >> > > > > > On Apr 4, 3:38 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > Here is a good reason for moral behavior -- call it what you > > like > > >> > > (we > > >> > > > > > > are our brother's keeper, the golden rule, do unto others, > > etc.) -- > > >http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/02/22/world/asia/1194838044017/cl... > > > >> > -- > > >> > ( > > >> > ) > > >> > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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