Atheist though I may be, I'll still take all the blessings I can
get.
On Apr 8, 8:23 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> Gruff, I've always sensed that you are special !
>
> I was actually going to say that you are especially endowed and
> blessed by God. But then I remembered, you do not believe in One.
>
> Lots of Love.
>
> On Apr 8, 8:02 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Vam, in my particular case (see Venger above) there is the strong
> > likelihood that this surgeon removed only one of two subdural
> > hematomas hoping for a return engagement at $35,000 to remove the
> > other one. My body however cheated the man out of his extra gain when
> > it absorbed the second hematoma all on its own.
>
> > On Apr 7, 8:47 pm, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > You may be missing the point. Is a doctor moral if he chooses to let a
> > > patient die if he is not paid " so much," when he is actually in a
> > > position to save the life ?
>
> > > A possible solution may be for the state to subsidise the cost of
> > > study and training, so that doctors are not under such pressure to
> > > make " so much " in the shortest possible time ( yesterday ! ).
>
> > > I recall Dr Rieux's character in The Plague, written by Albert Camus.
>
> > > On Apr 7, 7:32 pm, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Agree with Molly. I don't understand any of the financial arguments
> > > > presented.
>
> > > > Some people cut trees down for a living, and make a certain amount of
> > > > money per year doing it. Some people lend money for a living, and
> > > > make a certain amount of money per year doing it. In the former case,
> > > > you trade the trees for money. In the latter case, it's the
> > > > difference between what the borrowing rate and the interest rate that
> > > > lets you make money. Nothing immoral about it. Only reason some
> > > > people, and various religions, feel that charging interest is immoral
> > > > is because of the fact that we didn't really evolve to understand
> > > > abstract ways of making money. Sell wood? Sure. Make a living off a
> > > > spread? Harder to understand. But why immoral?
>
> > > > As for medicine: Why are doctors paid so much? Because they're among
> > > > the more talented people in society (i.e., intelligent - look at
> > > > medical school acceptance rates), and they spend much longer in
> > > > training than other people, so they have to be compensated by a lot to
> > > > make the profession economically worthwhile. If doctors were paid
> > > > less, more people who would otherwise be doctors would become lawyers,
> > > > and medical care wouldn't be as good as it is now. So where would the
> > > > morality be in that? Is every potential doctor who chooses to be a
> > > > lawyer because the pay's better an immoral person?
>
> > > > On Apr 7, 2:55 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Frayed knot is an interesting way of putting it.
>
> > > > > I think society is more immoral than moral. I think most people agree
> > > > > that
> > > > > killing some one is wrong. My problem with morality is when some one
> > > > > charges excessive interest like in credit cards (my wife and I have
> > > > > one --
> > > > > and it is for emergencies only -- then immediately paid off )
> > > > > justifying
> > > > > this as sound business when in reality to me it seems like this greed
> > > > > is a
> > > > > way of slowly killing some one, or Like ( i do have a very good
> > > > > health
> > > > > insurance.) when I ended up in the hospital a few years back in the
> > > > > USA and
> > > > > the bill exceeded $8,000. for 24 hour stay.. basically to get my
> > > > > heart beat
> > > > > stabilized and watched. I saw 2 doctors for a total of 10 minutes..
> > > > > If I did not have insurance i would have an huge medical bill and to
> > > > > pay it
> > > > > I would have had to take food of my table to pay the bill. To me if a
> > > > > person
> > > > > is forced to pay an excessive amount to cover a bill cutting back on
> > > > > normal
> > > > > expenses to pay it,, the hospital is killing that person.
>
> > > > > or by charging excessive rent.. or a myriad of other ways of killing
> > > > > some
> > > > > one legally .. the slower the better..
>
> > > > > On my savings account I am paid a meager 2.6 % but if I want to
> > > > > borrow money
> > > > > I have to pay 9.8% If I depended upon that interest for my living
> > > > > again
> > > > > corporate greed would be killing me.. and this difference is immoral
> > > > > yet it
> > > > > is easily justified as business.
>
> > > > > I think people many people only want to appear to be moral yet at
> > > > > the same
> > > > > time want to use business or corporations to hide their immorality.
>
> > > > > The only conclusion I can reach is people prefer to be immoral. Just
> > > > > talking
> > > > > the talk not walking the walk of morality.
>
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Evil reconciled to good? Frayed knot!
>
> > > > > > On Apr 5, 10:18 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Why is evil always so hard to nail down or why does it seem that
> > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > one really wants to identify it but simply dissect the
> > > > > > > potentiality of
> > > > > > > what it may define. You don't consider anything on the video as
> > > > > > > evil
> > > > > > > but do recognize it as bad, horrifying and obscene, which
> > > > > > > basically
> > > > > > > covers the face of evil, but rather bypass evil representation to
> > > > > > > bring attention to religious aspects, which by the way I agree
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > 100%, don't burn your steak here. The dark ages are still upon us
> > > > > > > brother and while technology creates a vision of advancement,
> > > > > > > attitudes and behaviours create a different picture, the picture
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > reality, of good and of evil. I feel we must somehow find
> > > > > > > resolve in
> > > > > > > the issue of what is evil. We have here a collection of brilliant
> > > > > > > minds, myself excluded lol, and so we can somehow be assertive in
> > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > resolve. I find too many threads wind up as fray ends. Which
> > > > > > > reminds
> > > > > > > me of a thread that walked into a bar, the bartender said "we
> > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > serve threads", so the thread walked out, shredded out it's end
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > tied itself into a loop, walked back into the bar, the bartender
> > > > > > > noticed and immediately and irately said, "damn, I told you we
> > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > serve threads in here", the thread responded "I'm not a thread" at
> > > > > > > which the bartender scowled, "you are so" and so the thread
> > > > > > > having the
> > > > > > > last word said "nope, I'm a frayed knot".
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 5, 12:26 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Thanks Slip. I don't really consider what is going on in the
> > > > > > > > video
> > > > > > > > and what it represents as evil. It is bad, it is horrifying,
> > > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > obscene, but it is also no more than religion battling it's
> > > > > > > > fiercest
> > > > > > > > foe -- education and enlightenment. On the other hand, religion
> > > > > > > > considers education and enlightenment evil -- the work of the
> > > > > > > > devil.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 2:05 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the video gruff, it was overwhelmingly sad but very
> > > > > > > > > enlightening as to the seriousness and the dilemma of these
> > > > > > > > > people.
> > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > takes me back over to the other thread, Does Evil Exist. One
> > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > needs to watch this video for the answer.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 3:38 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Here is a good reason for moral behavior -- call it what
> > > > > > > > > > you like
> > > > > > (we
> > > > > > > > > > are our brother's keeper, the golden rule, do unto others,
> > > > > > > > > > etc.) --
> > > > > >http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/02/22/world/asia/1194838044017/cl...
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > (
> > > > > )
> > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text -
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