Slip, I was speaking in general terms. I've noticed some animosity arise from similar posts on religion in the past. It's good to remind some to think before they write. I didn't aim that statement towards anyone in particular. I find this forum to be a bit more mature than others, thankfully.
On Apr 25, 8:18 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Take care and keep in mind, if you feel it necessary to insult others, > it will only be viewed as ignorance. <<<Rosey > > You lost me on the insult part. Who and where is someone insulting > another? Your reply is on the post of the Heretic but I don't see > that there is any insult within his post. Unless your comment is a > general statement and not specifically directed? > > For the rest I have to say I agree entirely. Regardless of my own > stance concerning religion I respect others personal right to > spiritual belief. There is a commonality with differing faiths and so > I would not find it hard to accept the notion that any one faith would > be able to share, console and advise others of different faith. I > find conflicts of faith to be very similar to racial conflicts in that > we are all members of the human species and all faiths have a central > spiritual theme. > > On Apr 25, 3:58 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You know I am saddened that someone can impose such a bias on another > > person's system of belief. There are good qualities and truth in > > every religion. I spoke with a gentleman not too long ago regarding > > Catholicism and Islam, we had what some would describe as a minor > > tiff. All the more joyable for my nature. A well thought out debate > > negative of offensive slander is definitely my cup of tea. Now I > > don't wnat to seem hypocritical as I am having hard time remaining > > true to my faith, but I can't help it. It's most likely biologically > > instilled, the defense mechanism for Islam that is. The gentleman > > made a point and started within me, a series of introspective views > > towards Catholicism. He said that a Catholic Priest will accept > > anyone from any faith and talk to he or she without condemning them or > > pursuing an initiative to convert them. I find that honorable. > > Acceptance by a faith that seemingly is open to advising others of > > different faiths. I hope that I am not wrong and was not fed a > > fairytale, as I don't like to disperse untrue claims. I guess I could > > have researched it prior to writng this post, but i don't want to lose > > the frame of mind that I've encountered. I am sure someone will > > correct me if I am wrong. > > > Take care and keep in mind, if you feel it necessary to insult others, > > it will only be viewed as ignorance. > > > On Apr 25, 1:09 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Interesting word hypocrisy. In all organizations there is hypocrisy and > > > including the US Government especially if you look back at the very top of > > > the last administration, oh well now we only have to deal with the after > > > effects of it. > > > > Within both the roman and orthodox church the people in power are kind of > > > stuck there and for the most part they are pretty ordinary and very > > > intelligent men who's lives are controlled by others. That doesn't make > > > them > > > hypocritical it just makes them stuck. sometimes very lonely too. Most of > > > them are very good people to be admired. I have been lucky to see thier > > > good > > > works that are hidden from most. > > > > I do know that if they can ever escape their prison they are great to > > > have > > > a cup of coffee with.. After all they have a moral and spiritual > > > obligation > > > to save the heretic.. > > > > Allan > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:28 PM, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > im happy with your success in this area and i dont put religion down. > > > > i was referring to the heirarchy of the church. there is simply too > > > > much hypocrisy at the top. your work is very important and, from my > > > > perspective, this is where the beauty of church lies, with the people, > > > > not those who live in mansions enforcing the laws as they see them. > > > > keep up the good work! :-) > > > > > On Apr 25, 2:14 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You know e-space me and the catholic church have our differences, they > > > > are > > > > > theological and yes I am a heretic, When you talk about wealth, > > > > > Francis > > > > is > > > > > right most of it is wealth you just can not dispose of most of it is > > > > peoples > > > > > gifts honoring God, one of the modern one a person needs to look at > > > > > the > > > > > Washington cathedral look who was hired to build it,, the unemployed > > > > trained > > > > > in the skills they needed to know and then given a job for the rest of > > > > their > > > > > life, Those were not people that were just out of work, they were the > > > > > unemployable, > > > > > I personally have been involved in projects trying to help the poor > > > > > earn > > > > a > > > > > living in 3rd world and have lost a small fortune and still do. But > > > > > poor > > > > > people can feed their families with pride. But the greatest thing that > > > > ever > > > > > happened is when the letter came.. It read dear Allan We succeeded in > > > > > finding a cure for leprosy thank you may God bless Fr. C > > > > > > Religion is not about wealth but learning to serve our fellow man. > > > > > > disagreements and heretic papers in hand I will stand shoulder to > > > > shoulder > > > > > with the RC or Orthodox Church > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:28 PM, e_space <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > i bow to your intimate knowledge on this subject and i agree to > > > > > > generalization. i guess i was just trying to make a point. im not > > > > > > sure > > > > > > slopping thinking was involved, maybe less than stellar research. > > > > > > thanks for the clarifications... > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 4:02 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 24 Apr., 12:15, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > analyzing religion from an heirarchy point of view, i see > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > leaders as quite evil. religion is often used to control people > > > > > > > > through fear and intimidation, not love and guidance. the roman > > > > > > > > catholic religion for example, is the richest 'corporation' in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > world, yet its converts are starving to death and dying of aids > > > > > > > > because they cant use contraception. many of the priests are > > > > > > > > pedeophiles who have been sheltered and moved around from one > > > > church > > > > > > > > to the other when scandals were about to break out. they have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > associated with the mafia and murder and will not let females be > > > > > > > > priests. they live in mansions that are FAR beyond any dream > > > > > > > > home > > > > you > > > > > > > > and i would imagine, have michael angelo on the ceiling, walk > > > > around > > > > > > > > with massive crowns on their heads and gold jewelry that makes a > > > > > > > > rappers bling look like a cracker jack toy. jesus supposedly > > > > > > > > said, > > > > > > > > 'give up your riches and follow me'. i guess somewhere down the > > > > road, > > > > > > > > religious leaders sorta overlooked this admonition. i have > > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > against those who go to church, and if it brings them happiness, > > > > > > > > great. just not my cup of tea... > > > > > > > > There is a great deal of truth in what you write here, e, but also > > > > > > > large dollops of generalisation, inaccuracy and sloppy thinking > > > > which, > > > > > > > in my view, serve only to weaken your argument. > > > > > > > > Those who know me better here are well aware of my extremely > > > > > > > critical > > > > > > > position viz a viz the RC Church. Nonetheless, I feel I must > > > > > > > clarify > > > > > > > some of the points you allude to. > > > > > > > > Firstly, the "roman catholic religion" is not a "corporation" of > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > kind, but rather a designation for over a billion adherents world- > > > > > > > wide, the vast majority of whom voluntarily associate themselves > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > this belief, which is internally organised, according to its own > > > > > > > rules, as a "church". While you and I might regard the official RC > > > > > > > position on contraception, population control and HIV-AIDS as > > > > > > > extremely backward, irrational and regrettable, I must point out > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > there is no way the RC Church can force its adherents to follow > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > teachings, apart from the "moral" authority accorded to it by > > > > > > > many of > > > > > > > those adherents. > > > > > > > > The wealth of the RC Church is a difficult subject to discuss, as > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > assets are legally in the hands of thousands of distinct > > > > organisations > > > > > > > and groups, some of which are quite wealthy, some of which are > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > poor. The administrative centre of the Church, the Vatican City, > > > > > > > is > > > > an > > > > > > > internationally recognised independent country, with its own laws, > > > > > > > maintaining formal diplomatic contacts with most countries in the > > > > > > > world. The present position of this entity is the result of 1700 > > > > years > > > > > > > of historical development. Much of its wealth is in the form of > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > estate and artistic treasures, a lot of which (including the > > > > > > > Sistine > > > > > > > Chapel - which I presume is what you meant with "michael angelo > > > > > > > [sic] > > > > > > > on the ceiling") is open to public viewing for a modest fee - > > > > > > > used to > > > > > > > maintain the substance of the area generally known as the "Vatican > > > > > > > Museum." The value of it all is priceless, but also practically > > > > > > > useless, since I know of no way in which it could be justly > > > > > > > converted > > > > > > > into liquid assets (would selling it to Bill Gates or Roman > > > > Abramovich > > > > > > > - preuming they wanted to buy - really make the world better?). A > > > > > > > parallel example would be the Potala Palace in Lhasa (today > > > > > > > nationalised by the Chinese and turned into a museum) which > > > > > > > includes > > > > > > > the tomb of the 13th. Dalai Lama, reportedly containing priceless > > > > > > > jewels and a ton of gold. > > > > > > > > While the wearing of crowns remains a > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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