Thank you for the clarification. It was just in the wording, the "if you feel" part and I guess it comes down to the single word "you" in the sentence. I do understand what you mean by the animosity in religious discussion, it seem the emotions override the capacity to engage conversation intelligently. Mind Eye definitely stands alone in the world of internet forums and I'm am equally thankful for that. Forums in general can become chaotic and lose direction resulting in a senseless fray.
On Apr 25, 8:36 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > Slip, I was speaking in general terms. I've noticed some animosity > arise from similar posts on religion in the past. It's good to remind > some to think before they write. I didn't aim that statement towards > anyone in particular. I find this forum to be a bit more mature than > others, thankfully. > > On Apr 25, 8:18 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Take care and keep in mind, if you feel it necessary to insult others, > > it will only be viewed as ignorance. <<<Rosey > > > You lost me on the insult part. Who and where is someone insulting > > another? Your reply is on the post of the Heretic but I don't see > > that there is any insult within his post. Unless your comment is a > > general statement and not specifically directed? > > > For the rest I have to say I agree entirely. Regardless of my own > > stance concerning religion I respect others personal right to > > spiritual belief. There is a commonality with differing faiths and so > > I would not find it hard to accept the notion that any one faith would > > be able to share, console and advise others of different faith. I > > find conflicts of faith to be very similar to racial conflicts in that > > we are all members of the human species and all faiths have a central > > spiritual theme. > > > On Apr 25, 3:58 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You know I am saddened that someone can impose such a bias on another > > > person's system of belief. There are good qualities and truth in > > > every religion. I spoke with a gentleman not too long ago regarding > > > Catholicism and Islam, we had what some would describe as a minor > > > tiff. All the more joyable for my nature. A well thought out debate > > > negative of offensive slander is definitely my cup of tea. Now I > > > don't wnat to seem hypocritical as I am having hard time remaining > > > true to my faith, but I can't help it. It's most likely biologically > > > instilled, the defense mechanism for Islam that is. The gentleman > > > made a point and started within me, a series of introspective views > > > towards Catholicism. He said that a Catholic Priest will accept > > > anyone from any faith and talk to he or she without condemning them or > > > pursuing an initiative to convert them. I find that honorable. > > > Acceptance by a faith that seemingly is open to advising others of > > > different faiths. I hope that I am not wrong and was not fed a > > > fairytale, as I don't like to disperse untrue claims. I guess I could > > > have researched it prior to writng this post, but i don't want to lose > > > the frame of mind that I've encountered. I am sure someone will > > > correct me if I am wrong. > > > > Take care and keep in mind, if you feel it necessary to insult others, > > > it will only be viewed as ignorance. > > > > On Apr 25, 1:09 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Interesting word hypocrisy. In all organizations there is hypocrisy and > > > > including the US Government especially if you look back at the very top > > > > of > > > > the last administration, oh well now we only have to deal with the after > > > > effects of it. > > > > > Within both the roman and orthodox church the people in power are kind > > > > of > > > > stuck there and for the most part they are pretty ordinary and very > > > > intelligent men who's lives are controlled by others. That doesn't make > > > > them > > > > hypocritical it just makes them stuck. sometimes very lonely too. Most > > > > of > > > > them are very good people to be admired. I have been lucky to see thier > > > > good > > > > works that are hidden from most. > > > > > I do know that if they can ever escape their prison they are great to > > > > have > > > > a cup of coffee with.. After all they have a moral and spiritual > > > > obligation > > > > to save the heretic.. > > > > > Allan > > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:28 PM, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > im happy with your success in this area and i dont put religion down. > > > > > i was referring to the heirarchy of the church. there is simply too > > > > > much hypocrisy at the top. your work is very important and, from my > > > > > perspective, this is where the beauty of church lies, with the people, > > > > > not those who live in mansions enforcing the laws as they see them. > > > > > keep up the good work! :-) > > > > > > On Apr 25, 2:14 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You know e-space me and the catholic church have our differences, > > > > > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > theological and yes I am a heretic, When you talk about wealth, > > > > > > Francis > > > > > is > > > > > > right most of it is wealth you just can not dispose of most of it is > > > > > peoples > > > > > > gifts honoring God, one of the modern one a person needs to look at > > > > > > the > > > > > > Washington cathedral look who was hired to build it,, the unemployed > > > > > trained > > > > > > in the skills they needed to know and then given a job for the rest > > > > > > of > > > > > their > > > > > > life, Those were not people that were just out of work, they were > > > > > > the > > > > > > unemployable, > > > > > > I personally have been involved in projects trying to help the poor > > > > > > earn > > > > > a > > > > > > living in 3rd world and have lost a small fortune and still do. But > > > > > > poor > > > > > > people can feed their families with pride. But the greatest thing > > > > > > that > > > > > ever > > > > > > happened is when the letter came.. It read dear Allan We succeeded > > > > > > in > > > > > > finding a cure for leprosy thank you may God bless Fr. C > > > > > > > Religion is not about wealth but learning to serve our fellow man. > > > > > > > disagreements and heretic papers in hand I will stand shoulder to > > > > > shoulder > > > > > > with the RC or Orthodox Church > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:28 PM, e_space <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > i bow to your intimate knowledge on this subject and i agree to > > > > > > > generalization. i guess i was just trying to make a point. im not > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > slopping thinking was involved, maybe less than stellar research. > > > > > > > thanks for the clarifications... > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 4:02 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 24 Apr., 12:15, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > analyzing religion from an heirarchy point of view, i see > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > leaders as quite evil. religion is often used to control > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > through fear and intimidation, not love and guidance. the > > > > > > > > > roman > > > > > > > > > catholic religion for example, is the richest 'corporation' > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > world, yet its converts are starving to death and dying of > > > > > > > > > aids > > > > > > > > > because they cant use contraception. many of the priests are > > > > > > > > > pedeophiles who have been sheltered and moved around from one > > > > > church > > > > > > > > > to the other when scandals were about to break out. they have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > associated with the mafia and murder and will not let females > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > priests. they live in mansions that are FAR beyond any dream > > > > > > > > > home > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > and i would imagine, have michael angelo on the ceiling, walk > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > with massive crowns on their heads and gold jewelry that > > > > > > > > > makes a > > > > > > > > > rappers bling look like a cracker jack toy. jesus supposedly > > > > > > > > > said, > > > > > > > > > 'give up your riches and follow me'. i guess somewhere down > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > road, > > > > > > > > > religious leaders sorta overlooked this admonition. i have > > > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > against those who go to church, and if it brings them > > > > > > > > > happiness, > > > > > > > > > great. just not my cup of tea... > > > > > > > > > There is a great deal of truth in what you write here, e, but > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > large dollops of generalisation, inaccuracy and sloppy thinking > > > > > which, > > > > > > > > in my view, serve only to weaken your argument. > > > > > > > > > Those who know me better here are well aware of my extremely > > > > > > > > critical > > > > > > > > position viz a viz the RC Church. Nonetheless, I feel I must > > > > > > > > clarify > > > > > > > > some of the points you allude to. > > > > > > > > > Firstly, the "roman catholic religion" is not a "corporation" > > > > > > > > of any > > > > > > > > kind, but rather a designation for over a billion adherents > > > > > > > > world- > > > > > > > > wide, the vast majority of whom voluntarily associate > > > > > > > > themselves with > > > > > > > > this belief, which is internally organised, according to its own > > > > > > > > rules, as a "church". While you and I might regard the official > > > > > > > > RC > > > > > > > > position on contraception, population control and HIV-AIDS as > > > > > > > > extremely backward, irrational and regrettable, I must point > > > > > > > > out that > > > > > > > > there is no way the RC Church can force its adherents to follow > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > teachings, apart from the "moral" authority accorded to it by > > > > > > > > many of > > > > > > > > those adherents. > > > > > > > > > The wealth of the RC Church is a difficult subject to discuss, > > > > > > > > as its > > > > > > > > assets are legally in the hands of thousands of distinct > > > > > organisations > > > > > > > > and groups, some of which are quite wealthy, some of which are > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > poor. The administrative centre of the Church, the Vatican > > > > > > > > City, is > > > > > an > > > > > > > > internationally recognised independent country, with its own > > > > > > > > laws, > > > > > > > > maintaining formal diplomatic contacts with most countries in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > world. The present position of this entity is the result of 1700 > > > > > years > > > > > > > > of historical development. Much of its wealth is in the form of > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > estate and artistic treasures, a lot of which (including the > > > > > > > > Sistine > > > > > > > > Chapel - which I presume is what you meant with "michael angelo > > > > > > > > [sic] > > > > > > > > on the ceiling") is open to public viewing for a modest fee - > > > > > > > > used to > > > > > > > > maintain the substance of the area generally known as the > > > > > > > > "Vatican > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
