i will keep all 10 fingers and 12 toes crossed that it does, but the prospect looks grim imo
On Apr 26, 10:40 am, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > Applause Slip, prior to responding to this thread I initially planned > to agree with the collective mentality idea. As I am not one that is > pro war. To me war is greed, power and an agenda to eliminate the > enemy. War is heartache and pain. But when you have too many people > whose intentions of others are nothing but pure evil, how shall we > acquire this collective mentality. Although signs of collective > mentality are already evident, eventually (when I say eventually, I > refer to a distant future) it will be on everyone's list of > accomodations. Today's generation has less barbaric tendencies than > say 1000 years ago. Yet with the attainment of civility we still > cater to war. War whether we like to admit it or not, maintains the > ratio of people versus earth's resources. Man is the creator of his > own demise. Even Mother Nature herself steps in when man does not. > Now would a collective mentality prevent tsunami's, eruptions of > volcanoes, weather afflictions, earthquakes and disease? Take the > Black Plague for example; Europe's agricultural land and food supply > did not accomodate to the demand of its residents. Many were starving > and hungry, the black plague moderated the ratio where the survivors > were able to reestablish a resourceful community. Time and time again > history has proven the survival of the fittest element. Philosophy > and collective mentality theories have been developed as early as the > Greeks. It may be possible that one day citizens of the Earth will > abide by a code of rules associated through a collective mentality. > We can only hope. > > On Apr 25, 11:44 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What do I think? I think it would not be a "simulation" of a perfect > > world but a reality that all of humanity created through collective > > mentality. I think you are wrong about the tolerance of humanity and > > especially the "straight" path as you put it. It is not a straight > > path as opposed to a wrong path but simply a unison, a harmony, a > > semblance of similar thought. I think war is not inevitable but a > > simple perception, in our human history, as a solution to problematic > > situations with disregard to amicable solution. War is the easy way > > out, kill the problem, over and done. War has become so morally > > acceptable and so every piss ant country in the world thinks the way > > to peace is through the development of sophisticated weaponry, even > > though the costs of which result in the starvation and hardship of the > > citizenry. I think humanity, in spite of technological advances, has > > not progressed much further than that of the chimpanzee. I think you > > are terribly wrong about the compassion of humanity and the assumption > > that one must experience pain in order to appreciate pleasure. Should > > I chop off my left hand so that I can appreciate the right hand more? > > There will still be, without war, situations that evoke compassion, > > such as natural disasters and tragedies. I think there is absolutely > > no benefit to war other than that which is derived by those who engage > > in the senseless act of war. > > George Bush engaged war in Iraq and thousands of innocent men, women, > > and children lost their lives. When you think that it is acceptable > > to kill thousands of people because Saddam killed thousands of Kurds > > then you are certifiably insane. Do you seriously think that there > > will ever be the "war to end all wars"? We've been waring for > > thousands of years without resolution. The only answer to all the > > problems plaguing humanity is collective mentality. > > Fact is collective mentality is already in progress in specific areas > > of living, such as the movement to reduce pollution of our planet, the > > sustenance of our existence. You see, we have as well engaged in > > other practices that are detrimental to our survival and we are > > addressing those issues and making drastic changes, so it will be that > > one day humanity realizes that war is not the answer to peace. > > To hell with the war mongering military industrial complex and other > > industries that reap massive profits upon the delivery of ineffective > > and inferior product. Ultimately it is the people that bear > > responsibility for the mere fact of supporting such industries without > > complaint. Equally it will be the people that will, as a collective > > mentality, effect change, positive change for the common good. > > We have been sunken in the pit of apathy and cajoled into the mode > > complacency for so long that we have lost sight of the fact that "we > > the people" wield the power of change. As I said earlier, it all > > starts with one, you. > > > On Apr 25, 9:28 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Collective mentality? > > > > It would be ideal for the human race to gain a collective mentality > > > and proceed with peace and maintain a complete understanding of each > > > other. It would seemingly be a progression where people no longer > > > thought of each other with bad intentions. All evil would eventually > > > be eliminated. However, it's too good to be true. > > > > Eventually, people would rebel, they would object to this simulation > > > of a perfect world. The human being would not be tolerant of > > > continuously steering into a straight path. Eventually they will wnat > > > to make a turn some where. War is inevitable. Unfortunately > > > disastrous and non-sensical to many and necessary. But without war, > > > the human being would be less likely to develop compassion from the > > > pain instilled due to war. War has its benefits, one example would be > > > taming the popluation (a very crucial example at that). What do you > > > think? > > > > On Apr 25, 1:51 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hoi hoi, > > > > Highly so and I do ascribe to the ideals of Thoreau, but the term was > > > > used in the pejorative sense and I think the Collective terms are more > > > > positive, and might also imply direction. The differentiation lies in > > > > the subtle complexities. The transcendentalists had other issues with > > > > religious and spiritual undertones, in the classic sense. Collective > > > > Mentality is a purer and simpler form without the baggage of > > > > religiosity. A group of atheists could have a collective mentality. > > > > If anything it would hinge on Kantian Idealism, of which I'm only > > > > slightly familiar with. The point I'm attempting to get at and the > > > > answers I'm pursuing pertain more to the methodology, for the > > > > achievement of collective mentality. > > > > > On Apr 25, 12:16 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hoi slip, > > > > > We know of the Collective Intelligence and Collective subconscious > > > > > concepts but can we ever achieve the Collective Mentality? > > > > > > this sounds a great deal like "Transcendentalism" The totality of > > > > > knowledge.. but go on.. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > can be possible if you let it be possible. > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > We know of the Collective Intelligence and Collective subconscious > > > > > > concepts but can we ever achieve the Collective Mentality? > > > > > > Planet Earth, the Cosmic War Zone, perpetually embroiled in > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > Wherever you look for peace most likely you will find war. Can we > > > > > > ever overcome this primordial instinct of waring? > > > > > > We have covered many areas of the mind, of dreams, quantum theorems, > > > > > > emotions and ideologies. Let's take a breather and take a serious > > > > > > look at how we can create an exchange of peaceful ideals by > > > > > > interlocking all of humanity within the collective intelligence. I > > > > > > know at first it appears as an oxymoron considering the collective > > > > > > idiocy that now dominates the earth realm. However, I think it > > > > > > might > > > > > > be possible to engage all of humanity within a Collective Mentality. > > > > > > > Do you think this is at all possible. By what method would you > > > > > > pursue > > > > > > this global metamorphosis? Are we as a global community doomed to > > > > > > perpetual waring? Is there a reason/point/goal for waring? Is > > > > > > there > > > > > > some spiritual aspect to war in that the elimination of another is > > > > > > of > > > > > > benefit? > > > > > > > I see no accomplishment in war except death without any positive > > > > > > result other than rebuilding post destruction. > > > > > > -- > > > > > ( > > > > > ) > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
