whats a dictionary? ;-^) ...the example i brought up is one of many examples where one could be trying to determine the value, merit, truth, etc of something, without an agenda, pre-determined slant or any other contributing factors...when the conclusion is obtained it is regarded as an opinion (unless its a scientific fact finding mission etc). from my uneducated understanding of the word, i still do not see how a simple opinion can be regarded as biased, although i appreciate how an opinion can become biased....
On Apr 28, 12:15 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Even though it appears you are asking someone else, I'll chime in > since I pointed it out... > The notion of good/bad does not have to enter into it. It can and > apparently you are doing so. I would posit that this is the case for > about everything. > And, taking it a tad further, looking at just the first definition: > > http://www.onelook.com/?w=bias&ls=a > > IF one considers having an objective consideration of an issue or > situation to be important, then one could say that being biased is > 'bad'...since it prevents such a state. > > There are common idioms that do give the term the spin you apparently > have taken on...it is not necessary nor the only way to think/talk/ > write. In fact, for clarity, one would want to explore much deeper. > > And, again IF you are talking about USA media when you say > 'news'....of course one will come up with opinion rather than any > possiblity of objectivity! That has been the case for a few decades > now, sadly. I seldom if ever listen to the 'news'...it has degenerated > into infotainment at best. > > When you ask about 'ones determination of the validity or truthfulness > of another persons words, without any previous notion, alliance or > prejudice..", it sounds like you are quoting from a dictionary, are > you? Regardless, such a situation is so rare as to be almost never > found...at least that is how I see it. > > On Apr 28, 8:58 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > then i presume being biased could be considered a good thing? because > > everbody has opinions. i was under the impression that it referred to > > a negative or non-objective slant on something, but from what you are > > indicating, being biased could also be considered a positive thing. is > > this correct? i mean, i have heard someone saying 'well, im biased, > > but after all he is my kid'. maybe ive been oversaturated with the way > > it used on the news! ;-^( ...on the other hand, a simple opinion about > > something, say ones determination of the validity or truthfulness of > > another persons words, without any previous notion, alliance or > > prejudice, imo, could not be considered bias, but just an opinion. > > what say? > > > On Apr 28, 9:13 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yes! Bias and Opinion are synonyms. :) > > > > 2009/4/28 e_space <[email protected]>: > > > > > ok...so everyone that has an opinion is biased? > > > > > On Apr 27, 10:29 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> "i see...so either u dont have any opinions or your biased...right? " > > > >> - e-s > > > > >> No, by definition an opinion is subjective and thus a bias...based > > > >> upon one's past. > > > > >> On Apr 27, 5:36 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > i see...so either u dont have any opinions or your biased...right? > > > > >> > On Apr 27, 5:57 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > "...unless stating an opinion could be considered > > > >> > > biased. ..." - e-s > > > > >> > > Well, yes, you could say that that is the case. In fact, it IS the > > > >> > > case. > > > > >> > > On Apr 27, 1:57 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > without referrence to what u consider jumbled or out of focus i > > > >> > > > cannot > > > >> > > > comment unless its a generalization. i do not feel i have > > > >> > > > offered a > > > >> > > > bias on anything, unless stating an opinion could be considered > > > >> > > > biased. im not sure what u mean by "It is difficult to > > > >> > > > understand the > > > >> > > > message being portrayed especially when words are taken back and > > > >> > > > other's opinions are the core basis for new ideas.", so again i > > > >> > > > cant > > > >> > > > comment...as far as making u think...hey, sorry bout that! ;-^) > > > > >> > > > On Apr 27, 2:24 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > I will refrain from giving a negative opinion, as that is most > > > >> > > > > likely > > > >> > > > > what will end up being interpreted. But I too find e's > > > >> > > > > comments a bit > > > >> > > > > jumbled and out of focus. It is difficult to understand the > > > >> > > > > message > > > >> > > > > being portrayed especially when words are taken back and > > > >> > > > > other's > > > >> > > > > opinions are the core basis for new ideas. e try to remain > > > >> > > > > focused > > > >> > > > > and find non-biased validity in your claims. I do enjoy > > > >> > > > > reading > > > >> > > > > everyone's comments and find each and every contributor to be > > > >> > > > > a worthy > > > >> > > > > donor. Your input causes me to think. > > > > >> > > > > On Apr 27, 11:00 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > Synonym for "wow". Alleged etymology: A way of saying > > > >> > > > > > "Jesus!" without > > > >> > > > > > being accused of swearing. More often used as a negative > > > >> > > > > > exclamation > > > >> > > > > > than a positive one. > > > > >> > > > > >http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gee%20wiz > > > > >> > > > > > Caustic? LOL I'm sure Orn was up all night crying his eyes > > > >> > > > > > out! > > > >> > > > > > Stop projecting your own interpretation, regardless of the > > > >> > > > > > inaccuracy, > > > >> > > > > > onto Orn. > > > > >> > > > > > 'superficial, > > > >> > > > > > frenetic, without depth, simplistic interpretation, mental > > > >> > > > > > cache dump, > > > >> > > > > > etc.<<< espace > > > > >> > > > > > Caustic? Lesson? Teacher? Preach? What? > > > > >> > > > > > Again you project your own timidity upon other readers. If > > > >> > > > > > you are > > > >> > > > > > offended it is your personal choice to feel that way but > > > >> > > > > > that in and > > > >> > > > > > of itself does not attach new meaning to words very commonly > > > >> > > > > > used in > > > >> > > > > > Minds Eye, many of which I learned to use from others, > > > >> > > > > > including > > > >> > > > > > Orn. > > > > >> > > > > > I would have to ask other members if you have any clue of > > > >> > > > > > what you are > > > >> > > > > > saying because I certainly don't think you know what you are > > > >> > > > > > talking > > > >> > > > > > about. Unless of course I get out my espace dictionary. > > > > >> > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:03 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > if the answer is gee whiz, one would then have to ask, is > > > >> > > > > > > gee whiz a > > > >> > > > > > > short form for jesus? > > > > >> > > > > > > i believe u misinterpreted OM's post. i think she was > > > >> > > > > > > agreeing with > > > >> > > > > > > u. > > > > >> > > > > > > just a thought...you might want to consider changing the > > > >> > > > > > > terminology > > > >> > > > > > > you use to something a bit more pallatable for the readers > > > >> > > > > > > of your > > > >> > > > > > > responses? you refer to others posts using words such as > > > >> > > > > > > 'superficial, > > > >> > > > > > > frenetic, without depth, simplistic interpretation, mental > > > >> > > > > > > cache dump, > > > >> > > > > > > etc. if one is trying to get a point across it is much > > > >> > > > > > > better to do so > > > >> > > > > > > without attempting to offend the other, because if u do, > > > >> > > > > > > even if the > > > >> > > > > > > words u are saying make sense, the reader will not have a > > > >> > > > > > > good > > > >> > > > > > > interpretation of the 'lesson', because they will not > > > >> > > > > > > appreciate the > > > >> > > > > > > 'teacher'...your 'meaning' doesnt have to be 'demeaning'. > > > >> > > > > > > u have some > > > >> > > > > > > good thoughts and comments...if they were slightly less > > > >> > > > > > > caustic they > > > >> > > > > > > might be a bit easier to swallow...again, just an > > > >> > > > > > > observation > > > > >> > > > > > > On Apr 27, 1:31 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > In your situation there is a huge difference, in that > > > >> > > > > > > > the group is not > > > >> > > > > > > > local to your community. Actually, I don't really see > > > >> > > > > > > > the comparison, > > > >> > > > > > > > that would be like me hanging with the Pope and then > > > >> > > > > > > > expecting a phone > > > >> > > > > > > > call from the Vatican. Still, I would think that at > > > >> > > > > > > > least one person > > > >> > > > > > > > from the whole should reach out, there is some degree of > > > >> > > > > > > > failure there > > > >> > > > > > > > on their part. Let me also add that you did not just > > > >> > > > > > > > fail to show up > > > >> > > > > > > > the next day while recording his speeches which > > > >> > > > > > > > would/should trigger a > > > >> > > > > > > > concern as to your well being, I would think. > > > > >> > > > > > > > Your simplistic interpretation of my approach is > > > >> > > > > > > > superficial, without > > > >> > > > > > > > depth. Failure to show any concern for someone who > > > >> > > > > > > > becomes part of a > > > >> > > > > > > > spiritual family in a local community church is a > > > >> > > > > > > > reflection of the > > > >> > > > > > > > congregates ability to live up to the spiritual tenets > > > >> > > > > > > > that they > > > >> > > > > > > > purport to espouse. I would expect, after months of > > > >> > > > > > > > playing/singing > > > >> > > > > > > > for the choir and receiving expressions of gratitude, for > > > >> > > > > > > > gratuitousness and ability, from attendees that someone > > > >> > > > > > > > would ask > > > >> > > > > > > > someone else what happened to the player/singer, with > > > >> > > > > > > > the reply > > > >> > > > > > > > being, I don't know we need to call and see if all is > > > >> > > > > > > > well. It is > > > >> > > > > > > > very simple really, especially when you consider that > > > >> > > > > > > > the congregation > > > >> > > > > > > > (not an organization) may only consist of a hundred > > > >> > > > > > > > members or less. > > > >> > > > > > > > So your judgment on the matter of my judgment is > > > >> > > > > > > > incorrect, partially > > > >> > > > > > > > because I had failed to initially present the related > > > >> > > > > > > > and relevant > > > >> > > > > > > > facts. It is years ago now anyway and I haven't any > > > >> > > > > > > > affiliations nor > > > >> > > > > > > > need of any so it doesn't matter, but if I did I would > > > >> > > > > > > > rather belong > > > >> > > > > > > > to a family instead of an organization. > > > >> > > > > > > > Part of the problem is the lack of instilling that sense > > > >> > > > > > > > of family > > > >> > > > > > > > within the spiritual community. They take your money, > > > >> > > > > > > > your time and > > > >> > > > > > > > service and then you return to being a number, not a > > > >> > > > > > > > member. I > > > >> > > > > > > > personally expect more from a group, any group, in which > > > >> > > > > > > > I would spend > > > >> > > > > > > > my time engaging in spirituality. This is one area > > > >> > > > > > > > where collective > > > >> > > > > > > > mentality would make a significant difference. As you > > > >> > > > > > > > say, we are > > > >> > > > > > > > one, at least > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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