Molly, my dear freind, there is always an ache in my heart at the thought of that occasion when we may all meet up, give ourselves huge hugs, and bask in the pure aura of what we've evolved into.
Then, I shed my light in the intellect and know that we're already met. As with the emotion, even the knowledge falls off me, and I remain in the bliss of oneness, there and then. I have said it before, and I say it again : You are the Angel, the Keeper of the Garden, in our midst ! Thank you. On Apr 29, 3:56 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > Infinite gratitude, Vam, for the delightful opportunity > > On Apr 29, 12:19 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Neil, I now appreciate the " enlightenment " remarks. It points to the > > same " corruption " we increasingly see everywhere. But, the " baby " > > is / might be still there in the bathwater ! > > > " Saying " is a very sacred phenomenon : it enables individuals to > > touch each other, empower or motivate each other, change each other, > > transform each other ... > > > In that domain, there are vast spaces for the " unsaid," the " less > > said," the " firmly said," the " clearly said," the " unclearly > > said," ... ... and the attendent emotions and thoughts, tasks and > > responsibilities, each such saying leaves upon and for us in their > > wake. > > > You are sharing with us the emotions and thoughts such " saying " and > > " unsaying " has left or continues to leave upon you ! > > > Why or what makes the " unsaid " more difficult to confront ? > > > I can sense that the answer is somehow connected with : " I suspect > > the fact is that we are all more inter - connected than we know > > already, yet still talk and act as though we are not." Do you ? And, > > if yes, would you be able to describe / map the linkage ? > > > This is a delightful opportunity for a huge advance in the quality of > > communication we've been having amongst each other. LOL. > > > On Apr 29, 4:01 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Some way from what I really mean, I remember many sporting incidents > > > in which no one dared admit the team was crap (against such evidence > > > as being competition rubbing rags for 7 years). In rugby, I drifted > > > from the first division to second with my best mate (who was > > > international class), booze moving from after match pain relief to > > > Saturday morning pain precaution. We never spoke about it, but both > > > gave up on the same soggy day of defeat in the mud at Rochdale. The > > > wider unsaid is much more difficult to confront. > > > > On 28 Apr, 15:24, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I really can't say or shouldn't say, or maybe I'm just afraid to say. > > > > But let's say we just say and in that way we play with what is > > > > sometimes kept at bay, even if it stirs a fray. At least in the end, > > > > come what may, it could pay to say we had a great day. Nay? > > > > > Oy veh! > > > > > On Apr 28, 9:01 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I suspect the fact is that we are all more inter- > > > > > connected than we know already, yet still talk and act as though we > > > > > are not. > > > > > > It seems to be that knowing both to be true is key > > > > > > What we need to > > > > > engage with is kept silent and we may need laughter to reveal it > > > > > because we are traumatised to silence through the politesse and > > > > > etiquette of old arguments that serve to miss the point. > > > > > > I find this enormously insightful. I am not sure how to get at the > > > > > kept silent. Kept silent as unseen, unknown - or something seen and > > > > > known but feared into silence? Each would have a very different > > > > > viewpoint. > > > > > > On Apr 28, 9:24 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I didn't mean enlightenment per se Vam. Use of this term varies > > > > > > greatly, as I'm sure we know. It's the business of attracting > > > > > > individuals to enlightenment by those claiming to have achieved it > > > > > > and > > > > > > who claim to recognise the talent or readiness in others to enter an > > > > > > enlightened state as some kind of privilege that is the old, failed > > > > > > fiction. I suspect much of this is connected to Plato's 3-part > > > > > > soul. > > > > > > I haven't time to continue just now and can only say what an > > > > > > enlightened world it would be if we were able to celebrate and > > > > > > commiserate over an England or India victory in Peshawar - perhaps > > > > > > with our grandchildren playing with local children in nearby > > > > > > gardens. > > > > > > Cricket would, of course, be an irrelevance to whatever else had > > > > > > happened to allow this. I can strategise what I mean rather than > > > > > > just > > > > > > whine as a martyr. I suspect the fact is that we are all more > > > > > > inter- > > > > > > connected than we know already, yet still talk and act as though we > > > > > > are not. Globbalisation (no typo) is a case in point. I have a > > > > > > feeling that wider attempts to describe life as lived (eg AutoGruff) > > > > > > could help us work out the actual ground. > > > > > > > On 28 Apr, 10:15, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > This is a refreshing voice I hear from you, Neil ! Would like to > > > > > > > hear > > > > > > > of more depths neath what you are saying. LOL. > > > > > > > > For one, what did you mean when you used the word " enlightenment > > > > > > > ?" > > > > > > > Why is it an " old, failed fiction ?" > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 10:37 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > [from C.S. Lewis 'The Screwtape Letters' - 1942] > > > > > > > > It sounds as if you supposed that argument was the way to keep > > > > > > > > him out > > > > > > > > of the Enemy's clutches. That might have been so had he lived > > > > > > > > a few > > > > > > > > centuries earlier. At that time humans still knew pretty well > > > > > > > > when a > > > > > > > > thing was proved and when it was not; and if it was proved they > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > believed it. They still connected thinking with doing and were > > > > > > > > prepared to alter their way of life as the result of a chain of > > > > > > > > reasoning. But what with the weekly press and other such > > > > > > > > weapons we > > > > > > > > have largely altered that. Your man has been accustomed, ever > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > he was a boy, to have a dozen incompatible philosophies dancing > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > inside his head. He doesn't think of doctrines as primarily > > > > > > > > "true" or > > > > > > > > "false", but as "academic" or "practical", "outworn" or > > > > > > > > "contemporary". "conventional" or "ruthless" ... Make him think > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > strong, or stark, or courageous - that is the philosophy of the > > > > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > Lewis, of course, is taking the urine. The Enemy is The Church > > > > > > > > and he > > > > > > > > is writing in irony (we perhaps know him better as the author > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > Biblical saga 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe'). Molly's > > > > > > > > World > > > > > > > > would be very welcome, yet even in there we would have to be > > > > > > > > cautioned > > > > > > > > against manipulation like the above and lingering Genghis > > > > > > > > Khans. Even > > > > > > > > tolerance can turn into a dreadful weapon in human affairs. > > > > > > > > Deconstruction, in part, teaches a key caution on the > > > > > > > > "objective- > > > > > > > > bureaucratic voice" many confuse with dispassionate argument. > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > wary of engagement in any rush to knowledge, but has broadly > > > > > > > > failed to > > > > > > > > spot its own rules of engagement - perhaps most farcically in > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > plaudits to authors announcing the death of the author. > > > > > > > > > Words are little in comparison with a desire to shake my friend > > > > > > > > Vam's > > > > > > > > hand over a matter of simply decent engagement which would > > > > > > > > remain > > > > > > > > silent in the embrace. It would be good if India or England > > > > > > > > had had a > > > > > > > > close fought victory in cricket and both of us experienced the > > > > > > > > meaningless history in buying a drink for the "loser". It > > > > > > > > might be > > > > > > > > better still if the match was played in a Pakistan free of > > > > > > > > strife and > > > > > > > > a world free of poverty - a poverty properly defined to > > > > > > > > understand the > > > > > > > > poverty of Western "riches" as much as that of an Indian > > > > > > > > population > > > > > > > > hoping politicians will put enough food on their tables and a > > > > > > > > roof > > > > > > > > against what the sky brings. We need new arguments and action > > > > > > > > engaged > > > > > > > > with them. The lack of this Slip, is my disappointment with an > > > > > > > > academe that hacks out old nonsense, forever re-packaged - we > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be laughing at it but also reconstructing the chain of reason in > > > > > > > > knowledge of its modern failures. In this sense, there is no > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > be ready for enlightenment as an individual, yet need to > > > > > > > > recognise > > > > > > > > this is an old, failed fiction with much in common with dreadful > > > > > > > > cosmetic adverts urging 'because you're worth it'. What we > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > engage with is kept silent and we may need laughter to reveal it > > > > > > > > because we are traumatised to silence through the politesse and > > > > > > > > etiquette of old arguments that serve to miss the point. > > > > > > > > > On 27 Apr, 19:24, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > God you Turn me On! > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:18 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Very good Molly, it is a recognition of the spark of life > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > energizes the heartbeat, gives breath to the soul and > > > > > > > > > > allows for the > > > > > > > > > > free mind. > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 6:48 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think a person who voices this phrase is either in love > > > > > > > > > > > with his > > > > > > > > > > > golden shadow, found his godhood, or in a sleazy bar with > > > > > > > > > > > his mind so > > > > > > > > > > > blurred by mind altering substances that they haven't a > > > > > > > > > > > clue as to > > > > > > > > > > > what is really attractive. Knowing you, Slip, you have > > > > > > > > > > > just come from > > > > > > > > > > > a campfire where you were contemplating the finer things > > > > > > > > > > > in life, so I > > > > > > > > > > > guess, one of the first two would apply. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 7:15 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Molly, what do you think of the expression, "God you > > > > > > > > > > > > Turn me On". > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
