“yes...my words may have been slighly off, its been a while...” – E-S
IF this is a slight apology, accepted. If it isn’t…so be it. Hopefully most people understood that what I wrote, while most commonly understood through a Christian perspective, has been presented as an ontological foundation ‘forever’…and by most ancient cultures. It also is addressed by mystics and those who use a solitary method today…so… it does appear to be innate and something not necessary to read…but that which can be found. I just find this notion appropriate to bring up in the current context. On May 2, 8:19 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > yes...my words may have been slighly off, its been a while...non the > less, i dont believe people have to hear the words of jesus to > recognize spirit and grow it...im sure i would have had all the > meaningful spiritual experiences in my life so far whether i had ever > heard of the bible, xtianity, god or any other human word. > > On May 2, 10:44 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think that passage is a perfect example of the problems of a human > > translated "holy" text. > > > Heres's the KJV: > > > "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man shall come to the father but > > BY me." > > > Not through, by. That one word is an important distinction, because it > > introduces variance in understanding, and shows the problems of which I > > speak. Change the phrase slightly, and the message falls in line with all > > the rest of what Christ taught: > > > "I show you the way, the truth, the life; no man shall come unto the father > > unless they follow my example." > > > Now given Christ's refusal to be deified, his perpetual redirection of > > prayer and worship to Yahweh, and his oft vocalized mission to teach ("I > > come to show you the way..."), which interpretation makes more sense? > > > Christians espouse the viewpoint that Christianity is exactly that, > > attempting to lead a Christ like life, but the deification of Christ has > > become so entrenched that the two are indistinguishable. > > > Thou shalt have no other Gods before me... > > > [ Attached Message ]From:e_space <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > > <[email protected]>Date:Sat, 2 May 2009 05:35:15 -0700 > > (PDT)Local:Sat, May 2 2009 8:35 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong Way > > > it is not unfortunate at all...it doesnt matter to me what jesus > > said...i dont consider jesus to be god...he said some neat stuff...so > > did other people...but i would NEVER say to someone, 'noone shall come > > to the father but through me'... i find that sorta arrogant, even if > > it was true. > > > i do not associate religion with 'god', i associate it with man where > > it belongs. as far as 'the spirituality of fundamental christianity' > > is concerned, i am not even closely convinced that such an animal > > exists...when u listen to a fundamentalist the last thing that comes > > to mind is spirituality. > > > if my words are capable of turning some off religion then their belief > > isnt very strong...on the other hand, since my negative slant on > > religion is accompanied by my joy of spiritual awareness, i really > > dont think i will be doing that much damage...maybe some good huh? > > > On May 2, 7:52 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't envy your up bringing and unfortunately what you experienced is > > > from the lack of knowledge of what Jesus taught and the problem that > > > is > > > inherit to the trinitarian belief system where they make Jesus a God. > > > > I have to laugh E when you say your father never sinned, because in his > > > eyes he probably never did disobey the rules and regulations. But there > > > in > > > lies the problem as I see it "sin" within christianity is what separates > > > us > > > from God .. but now i want you to think about something. It would be a > > > very > > > serious "sin" if your actions or teachings separate someone from God.. > > > very > > > serious indeed . > > > > If I had to survive on the spirituality of fundamentalist christianity I > > > would have either died or wandered away long ago. In one of my > > > experiences > > > years ago it was said "If you think you know it all there is more." That > > > has proven to be very true for me. > > > Allan > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > i was born the son of a very strict preacher man. my whole life was > > > > spent in church, even home life resembled church with daily bible > > > > reading, prayers, etc. i actually called my father 'god on earth' > > > > because i never saw him do anything that even closely resembled a sin, > > > > other than the harsh treatment we got for doing something wrong, but > > > > that was the english way, spare the rod, spoil the child. > > > > > i saw a lot of hypocritical activity in the church and found no > > > > comfort in the words of the bible. i rebelled. what i learned was that > > > > the 'path' to spiritual experience leads within. everything of any > > > > importance on the spiritual side happened for me just before sleep > > > > with eyes closed. of course, it takes a desire for this communication > > > > and i was constantly putting out the welcome mat for this activity. > > > > > people can look for the 'truth', answers to their religious or > > > > spiritual questions, etc by reading or listening to the words of > > > > others, where they will find nothing of substance from what i have > > > > experienced. i think we all have a spirit, its just a matter of > > > > digging the diamond out of the rough and starting to polish it...just > > > > my opinion here... > > > > > On May 2, 5:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Well Saul of tarsus (Paul is not an apostle as in the original sense > > > > > as > > > > > having been with Jesus and knew him before his death. If Saul is an > > > > apostle > > > > > then so am I by the same right and I can assure you that I am not an > > > > > apostle. You are right unfortunately the teachings of christianity are > > > > > heavily based on the writings of Saul. > > > > > > It is sad the distortion of what Jesus had to say, but at least some > > > > > of > > > > it > > > > > has been recorded. Even if it is not accurate and distorted by time > > > > > and > > > > > transulation there comes many ideas that can be put to practical use > > > > > in > > > > > developing some kind of spiritual life. > > > > > > My own view of Jesus (which is evolving) is that he is the Abbot of > > > > > his > > > > > teachings and a small group of followers. widely spread out and often > > > > > unknown to other followers. It is meditation and thought about what I > > > > have > > > > > read that become the guiding principles. > > > > > > It has not been an easy life, but it is one that I am very proud of. > > > > Often > > > > > times I come up against teachings of the past that are difficult to > > > > > understand, yet though I feel that they must be discarded It can not > > > > > be > > > > > done lightly. I know what Rosey is going through as Though I have been > > > > > chasing my beliefs longer than she has been alive. It is very nice to > > > > know > > > > > other are walking the path of searching.. > > > > > > My wife calls and I need to leave. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:52 AM, Chris Jenkins < > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > I've found that most modern Christians draw the vast majority of > > > > > > their > > > > > > ideology from Paul, one of the worst apostles on whom to build a > > > > > > gospel > > > > of > > > > > > love and forgiveness, with a dash of Mosaic Law whenever it suits > > > > > > their > > > > > > political desires. Your approach to Gospel works well enough for me. > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > From: Tinker <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: "\"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]> > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:53:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: The Wrong Way > > > > > > > I was a stone cold atheist, anti-christian for sure, at a > > > > > > challenging > > > > > > time in my Life, a little new testament found me. It had all the > > > > > > words > > > > > > of Jesus in red. I read those red words over and over till I > > > > > > understood what the man was saying. Christianity ain't got a clue. > > > > > > > peace & love > > > > > > > On May 1, 10:36 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Both JC and Gautama asked that there be no religion based upon > > > > them... > > > > > > > > On May 1, 3:35 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The man Jesus knew we are going the wrong way. He was all about > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to make a change. > > > > > > > > The religions are all basically built on 'good stuff', and > > > > > > > > worked > > > > in > > > > > > > > their circumstance for the purpose of unifying the people. > > > > > > > > I think Christianity is the only religion that actually had any > > > > > > > > devious element in its creation. The people Jesus was most > > > > disgusted > > > > > > > > with were the ones who created the religion that in no way > > > > represents > > > > > > > > the man as he was. > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 4:57 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I know it was not directed at me,, and there are a great many > > > > > > christian > > > > > > > > > leaders that are nothing but shysters. That is very sad. > > > > > > > > > Jesus is > > > > a > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > great spiritual leader. The only really good part about that > > > > > > > > > is > > > > to > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > shysters I am an absolute burn in hell heretic,, so I can > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > all > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > It is a shame because all faiths have there strong points and > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > believe each > > > > > > > > > person is born into the base of faith they need. You can not > > > > exclude > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > faith of others because is thither the stones from the path of > > > > others > > > > > > that you > > > > > > > > > polish your own spiritual path. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Allan, that comment was not directed at you, and I don't > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > it > > > > > > fits > > > > > > > > > > you at all. > > > > > > > > > > > I very much agree with your comment on the Christian > > > > > > > > > > leaders. > > > > I'd > > > > > > > > > > venture to say probably half of them are shysters who don't > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > believe in what they're selling. > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 3:24 am, iam deheretic > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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