I'm sorry that you don't understand 'peace & Love' as my wish for all mankind to share. I'm not going to be complacent and apathetic when I see a way to make it a reality in our Life. There is no conflict.
You call me arrogant for having a plan that you try to discredit because it goes beyond what your dogma allows. The intention of my Life is to bring about the spiritual evolution of mankind, by a simple mechanical means without any dogma. The only thing I condemn about religion is the apathy it supports. peace & Love On May 8, 5:46 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > You sign each post with peace and love, but more than not, argue. I > do hope that at some point, you understand the conflict therein. When > Francis says he detects a note of arrogance, it is indeed there in > your replies, which are closed to ideas other than your own. All of > us are on a path, all paths lead home. Religion is what it is and > there are those who value it. By condemning the dogma of religion, you > impose your own belief, which is what you condemn religion for. We > probably don't need to analyze it further. I think the intention of > everyone here is compassionate. > > On May 8, 5:29 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No Molly, I have no inner conflict. > > I have been humbled beyond your imagination. My mind was blasted wide > > open by truth. > > The truth is that Life here and now Can evolve into the spiritual > > realm. Actually, what we would be doing is incorporating the spiritual > > realm into our physical existence. > > Are you familiar with Joseph Campbell's archetype 'dream of utopia'? I > > don't believe it's what you're talking about. > > You have accepted dogma that limits knowing. That did not stop me from > > going beyond their teaching. Thank you :-) > > > I really do Love you Molly, and I think you are a brilliant lady. I'm > > sad that you can't see me clearly.(please know that is a statement > > relevant to this situation, not a condition of the man:-)) > > > peace & Love > > > On May 8, 4:40 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The original question, Is the Dream Dead... is a paradox only if you > > > see Heaven (or whatever word you choose) as a dream or dead, or in > > > your case both, to establish the inner conflict. There is a humility > > > and open mindedness that is needed to reconcile this paradox. If you > > > view life as real or dream; right or wrong; more or less...the dream > > > will be dead in that it is unattainable in duality. If you think that > > > you have gone beyond the spiritual thinking of the past, you are > > > thinking from ego and not the potentiality that is spirituality, that > > > includes everything and all that is. You cannot attain it or get > > > beyond it or argue it. It just is... > > > > Everybody now, dobe dobe do...... > > > > On May 8, 4:15 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Molly, please read the response to Slip. > > > > Try it on yourself. > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On May 8, 4:04 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > My dear Lady, > > > > > > He sounds to me like someone telling their grandfather he ought to > > > > > find a lady and have some kids :-) > > > > > I've been through all of that BS and it goes nowhere. > > > > > I'm talking about taking action here and now to bring about the > > > > > evolution of mankind to become spiritual beings. > > > > > All of your spiritual beliefs are 'wannabe' what I'm talking about. > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On May 8, 3:29 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Don't be so quick to dismiss what Justin is trying to tell you. > > > > > > There > > > > > > is a truth for you there. > > > > > > > On May 8, 1:07 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Guess again :-) > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > On May 8, 3:55 am, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So, who’s right? Is it one out of the jumbled clusterfuck of > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > beliefs? Or is it the Fact, that Life IS here and now. > > > > > > > > > The ‘Dream of Utopia’ points at Life, not some spiritual > > > > > > > > > other shit. > > > > > > > > > That’s why I ask if it’s dead. > > > > > > > > > Well Ok, but you are setting up a false dilemma. Above you have > > > > > > > > capitalized the following words "Fact", "Life" and a double > > > > > > > > capital of > > > > > > > > "IS". > > > > > > > > > Basically, if you consider what something is, like "its red" or > > > > > > > > "its > > > > > > > > round" you are considering its nature, or its essence. It is > > > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > however to cease to consider what is and turn your > > > > > > > > consideration to > > > > > > > > the fact that it is. When you do you transcend what life is and > > > > > > > > consider the fact that it is, or to use your writing, the Fact, > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > Life IS. Now, it turns out that you can experience the fact > > > > > > > > that life > > > > > > > > is in some very, what are called, "profound" ways. You can > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > appreciate its meaning fully or not. When you no longer are > > > > > > > > considering what is but the fact that it is you are going > > > > > > > > beyond the > > > > > > > > physical to the metaphysical, or going beyond the natural to the > > > > > > > > supernatural or going beyond the sensory to the extrasensory. > > > > > > > > That is > > > > > > > > the "some spiritual other shit" because it is not what is, but > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > is the fact that it is. That is why it is "other" or > > > > > > > > transcendent. It > > > > > > > > is also Immanent meaning roughly "here and now." That is why > > > > > > > > "the > > > > > > > > Fact, that Life IS here and now" IS "some spiritual other > > > > > > > > shit"... it > > > > > > > > just happens to be YOUR "some spiritual other shit". > > > > > > > > > It turns out that the appreciation of the meaning of the fact > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > life is in its fullest sense is the experience underlying all > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > religions. The meaning of that experience is expressed, > > > > > > > > indirectly > > > > > > > > through the books and stories that constitute the religious > > > > > > > > texts and > > > > > > > > genuine religious activity and mythology is about the problem of > > > > > > > > knowing what it means to be and is part of the intellectual > > > > > > > > history of > > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > You might think it is easy to know what it means. It is not. > > > > > > > > > Now many activities and beliefs interpret these texts > > > > > > > > literally. For > > > > > > > > them God is basically like any other thing capable of either > > > > > > > > being or > > > > > > > > not being and they believe he "happens" to be. They interpret > > > > > > > > religion > > > > > > > > not existentially but essentially. They think it is about what > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > the fact that it is. These people are fundamentalists. Their > > > > > > > > interpretation is truly not even religious. It is just bad > > > > > > > > science. > > > > > > > > > However, when the religions are not interpreted essentially > > > > > > > > then we > > > > > > > > can see their value. Their value is in their appreciation of the > > > > > > > > meaning of "the Fact, that Life IS here and now." So you raise > > > > > > > > a false > > > > > > > > dilemma between religion and what you are saying. > > > > > > > > > With respect to Utopia I recommend that you read Kierkeguard on > > > > > > > > despair "The Sickness Unto Death". He analyzes what despair > > > > > > > > really is > > > > > > > > and how one falls into its clutches. It is truly a very big > > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Utopia is not being realized because of something that is > > > > > > > > called Maya > > > > > > > > or illusion in the hindu literature. It is called original sin > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > christian literature. In the Hindu litterature it is noted that > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > suffering comes from a failure to realize the true nature of > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > To put as close to your terminology as I can: When "the fact, > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > life that life is here and now" fails to become "the Fact, that > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > IS here and now" then there is suffering. > > > > > > > > > You should be careful about prematurely cutting out the meaning > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > religions because you correctly realize that their literal > > > > > > > > interpretation is false and even distracting. > > > > > > > > > Now to the most important question: Is the dream dead. I think > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > answer is no. Not even in the most evil would I say dead... or > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least not completely incapable of being resurrected. We know > > > > > > > > basically > > > > > > > > that there is this problem, the problem of Maya or original > > > > > > > > sin and > > > > > > > > there is this clouding of our vision but religious experience > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > happens. The real question can be posed in terms of the myth of > > > > > > > > Lot > > > > > > > > and his fleeing of his city. The dream is alive. We are like in > > > > > > > > a game > > > > > > > > with the stakes doubling. The technical capabilities we have for > > > > > > > > communication now are making possible a major reawakening. They > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > make possible our destruction and these capabilities, the ones > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > currently have are nothing compared to what is in the biological > > > > > > > > design / neurology synergy. We are about to become very > > > > > > > > capable. 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