i'll bow to your knowledge of the man, just seemed a bit edgy. of
course, i am not above making these types of statements myself...i
guess im just too saturated with the antagonism that goes on in AvC...

On May 15, 7:38 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> e, I think that the handle that Francis chose to use in this group
> reflects a very real sense of humility.  He speaks to us as Francis
> the man - not a god or a saint, but fully human.  As you get to know
> him, you will find his responses compassionate and real.  His insight
> into tinkers responses here should not be dismissed lightly.  It takes
> two hands to clap, and tinker has voiced very strongly that he is here
> to enlighten us.  He may, indeed, have some insights.  But if he not
> open to the insights of Francis or anyone else here, he will be
> missing out on rare and wonderful opportunities for self reflection
> and growth.  If he thinks that he has grown all he can, and that
> "others" are here for him to enlighten, I would say he has a long way
> to go.  This is the message he conveys.  This is what Francis, in his
> compassion, is trying to tell tinker - that there is an arrogance to
> this position that screams unenlightened.
>
> Tinker, if you mean something different than this, let us know.  You
> have an interesting perspective.  Everyone here does.  One is not
> better or more enlightened than the other.  Justin has incredibly deep
> insights and enjoys the structure of philosophical discourse.  Pat
> will string it all out for us like a true physicist whose observations
> change the experiment.  Francis has a wealth of understanding in
> theology and psychology, and the heart of a poet with a command of the
> language to do it justice.  I could go on and on but will end
> suggesting that you stay open to what is offered here.
>
> On May 15, 6:46 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > fran! u seem a bit bothered in your last couple of posts...maybe a
> > vacation in the arctic would help u chill out a bit. i personally
> > havent read a book of significance in about 40 years because i also
> > found what i was looking for...this does not mean that one should not
> > put their views out there does it? maybe tink does what to spread his
> > light around...anything wrong with that? u can take what u want from
> > it, or not, no? speaking of conceited, at least he doesnt call himself
> > 'tinktheman' ;-^)
>
> > On May 15, 4:57 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On 15 Mai, 02:43, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I don't intend to say that the great works of a lot of people are not
> > > > great. I don't need to study anymore, I have found that which I was
> > > > seeking and am trying to go forward with it.
>
> > > This attitude makes discussion with you difficult, Tinker. If you are
> > > convinced you have found the Philosopher's Stone, then why do you
> > > enter into discourse with us here? Do you see any possibility of
> > > dialectical development in discussion with others? Is there a
> > > possibility that your views will develop and even change under the
> > > influence of the insights of others? If so, then I would see your
> > > dismissal of the need to study what others have written about many
> > > topics to be somewhat short-sighted. If not, then I have to conclude
> > > that your only purpose here is to enlighten those of us who haven't
> > > reached your elevated level of satori, or to indulge in mutual back-
> > > scratching with others who have achieved this exalted position.
>
> > > Such posts remind me of Lucy van Pelt, in Schulz's "Peanuts",
> > > following the motto, "I used to be conceited, but now I'm perfect."
>
> > > peace & Love
>
> > > Francis- Hide quoted text -
>
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