If it is not dead, then we can bring it to reality. If it is, then
time has run out and it's all going down the tube.

On May 14, 11:46 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> As sentient beings, what keeps us going with a dream of the good life
> (which I think was the focus of the thread.)  Sure, living things will
> recoil from danger, including single cell life that may or may not
> have the ability to think.  But life is all around us in myriad
> forms.  What keeps us going in the life?  What keeps the life going?
> Is the dream dead? Or can we influence it?
>
> On May 14, 11:02 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > " ... On May 13, 7:50 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> > wrote: ... "
>
> > > 'Life' has definitely become a tricky word to define these days. A rock 
> > > is inert, passive, possesses no active systems, is incapable of 
> > > reproduction, is inorganic, and thus my scientist's brain rules it out. 
> > > Questioning what is sentient has become a whole new conundrum, as both 
> > > many species of animals (long thought insentient by many schools of 
> > > thought), and some complex AI systems are capable of displaying traits of 
> > > self awareness and subjective perception. Combined with the long running 
> > > argument of 'What is consciousness?', it tends to make it difficult for a 
> > > rationalist to come to an easy answer.
>
> > Tricky indeed.  That's what comes of leaving a definition open-ended,
> > yet I see no other way given the discoveries of the past six or seven
> > decades.  Our space explorations, limited though they may be, have
> > opened up the possibility of life forms such as we cannot conceive.
> > Silicon based life for example?  Yes, we have to admit to it's
> > possibility even though we could not easily conceive of how that might
> > be and the form it would take.
>
> > Sentience is yet another matter, as you point out.  How best to
> > describe it, to capture it in a nutshell.  I still lean toward my
> > earlier description of the ability to feel or perceive subjectively.
> > Even the simplest single-celled entity has shown itself to recede or
> > draw back from danger and draw closer to that which supports it's
> > life.  Flowers turn toward the sun.  Could sentience be better
> > described by example?  Anything that purposely tends toward survival,
> > for instance?
>
> > Sentience seems to be not a static trait or characteristic but rather
> > possessing various levels of accession which implies a scale of
> > sentience from the simplest to the most complex and highest order, the
> > latter being human beings until we discover otherwise.  Think what
> > ye?
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