I'm starting to get a Brother Dave vibe here.... On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > It would be bringing it forward in the conscious mind of the > individual. > > peace & Love > > On May 15, 2:55 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > And how do you think the collective subconscious mind comes forward > > into the collective conscious mind? > > > > On May 15, 2:48 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You are right Molly, I have not presented a clear idea. I have tried > > > to get you to discuss something that is common in the mind of all > > > mankind. > > > You can't bear to talk about it as being common to mankind. It is the > > > justifier of all that you believe in and if it is the justifier of all > > > that others believe in your beliefs would loose their superiority. > > > > > I'm really happy that you are not calling me a scientologist :-) > > > My ideas are the common threads of all kinds of religious dogmas. > > > > > So now I will ask, what, exactly is your answer to the conundrum of> > life, tinker? > > > > > To establish a common recognition of the common link in the minds of > > > mankind. > > > > > What symbol do your propose and how will it work to> bring the sum > total of humanity into the same stage and state of mind? > > > > > The symbol will come after understanding the way to, bring the > > > collective mind forward from the subconscious to the conscious. Then > > > mankind will evolve spiritually, as all the great religions have > > > sought. > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On May 15, 1:54 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I did respond directly to you. As far as your idea, you may think > you > > > > have presented a clear idea, but you have not. Communication is a > > > > tricky thing, especially when we are responding to posts days after > > > > they were saved, and the conversation has gone beyond them already. > > > > We all use the language and ideas accumulated thoughout our lifetimes > > > > and they reflect our culture, education, etc. You, for example, > sound > > > > like a scientologist. I'm not saying you are, I'm saying your ideas > > > > sound similar. > > > > > > So now I will ask, what, exactly is your answer to the conundrum of > > > > life, tinker? What symbol do your propose and how will it work to > > > > bring the sum total of humanity into the same stage and state of > mind? > > > > > > On May 15, 1:43 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Molly, I am wide open to everything presented on this forum. I read > > > > > (to understand) every word posted. I don't use the "rare and > wonderful > > > > > opportunities for self reflection" as a means of escape. > > > > > I apologize for being so arrogant as to stand fast on knowledge > that I > > > > > have gained and tested over and over again from different point of > > > > > views to know the truth. Everything that I know has ground in the > > > > > great teachings. But it's a bit here and a piece there that all > come > > > > > together to form a 'new knowledge'. > > > > > You are the one who is not open to insight. You have the most > > > > > magnificent construction of collected dogmas that I've ever seen. I > > > > > don't think there is a bit of it that you have developed through > your > > > > > own insight. > > > > > There is no need for you to "go on", I see the great collection of > > > > > intelligence on this forum, that's why I'm here. > > > > > You keep trying to pin some kind of ignorance on me. I know what > you > > > > > know, and you won't even talk about what I know. > > > > > > > Why do you come down the page to defend Fran and not respond to me > > > > > above? > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:38 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > e, I think that the handle that Francis chose to use in this > group > > > > > > reflects a very real sense of humility. He speaks to us as > Francis > > > > > > the man - not a god or a saint, but fully human. As you get to > know > > > > > > him, you will find his responses compassionate and real. His > insight > > > > > > into tinkers responses here should not be dismissed lightly. It > takes > > > > > > two hands to clap, and tinker has voiced very strongly that he is > here > > > > > > to enlighten us. He may, indeed, have some insights. But if he > not > > > > > > open to the insights of Francis or anyone else here, he will be > > > > > > missing out on rare and wonderful opportunities for self > reflection > > > > > > and growth. If he thinks that he has grown all he can, and that > > > > > > "others" are here for him to enlighten, I would say he has a long > way > > > > > > to go. This is the message he conveys. This is what Francis, in > his > > > > > > compassion, is trying to tell tinker - that there is an arrogance > to > > > > > > this position that screams unenlightened. > > > > > > > > Tinker, if you mean something different than this, let us know. > You > > > > > > have an interesting perspective. Everyone here does. One is not > > > > > > better or more enlightened than the other. Justin has incredibly > deep > > > > > > insights and enjoys the structure of philosophical discourse. > Pat > > > > > > will string it all out for us like a true physicist whose > observations > > > > > > change the experiment. Francis has a wealth of understanding in > > > > > > theology and psychology, and the heart of a poet with a command > of the > > > > > > language to do it justice. I could go on and on but will end > > > > > > suggesting that you stay open to what is offered here. > > > > > > > > On May 15, 6:46 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > fran! u seem a bit bothered in your last couple of > posts...maybe a > > > > > > > vacation in the arctic would help u chill out a bit. i > personally > > > > > > > havent read a book of significance in about 40 years because i > also > > > > > > > found what i was looking for...this does not mean that one > should not > > > > > > > put their views out there does it? maybe tink does what to > spread his > > > > > > > light around...anything wrong with that? u can take what u want > from > > > > > > > it, or not, no? speaking of conceited, at least he doesnt call > himself > > > > > > > 'tinktheman' ;-^) > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 4:57 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Mai, 02:43, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't intend to say that the great works of a lot of > people are not > > > > > > > > > great. I don't need to study anymore, I have found that > which I was > > > > > > > > > seeking and am trying to go forward with it. > > > > > > > > > > This attitude makes discussion with you difficult, Tinker. If > you are > > > > > > > > convinced you have found the Philosopher's Stone, then why do > you > > > > > > > > enter into discourse with us here? Do you see any possibility > of > > > > > > > > dialectical development in discussion with others? Is there a > > > > > > > > possibility that your views will develop and even change > under the > > > > > > > > influence of the insights of others? If so, then I would see > your > > > > > > > > dismissal of the need to study what others have written about > many > > > > > > > > topics to be somewhat short-sighted. If not, then I have to > conclude > > > > > > > > that your only purpose here is to enlighten those of us who > haven't > > > > > > > > reached your elevated level of satori, or to indulge in > mutual back- > > > > > > > > scratching with others who have achieved this exalted > position. > > > > > > > > > > Such posts remind me of Lucy van Pelt, in Schulz's "Peanuts", > > > > > > > > following the motto, "I used to be conceited, but now I'm > perfect." > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
