On May 15, 4:48 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> How would recognition of a symbol introduced consciously, move
> information from the subconscious to the conscious?
The connection would be brought forward to the conscious mind.
And how would the
> symbol inspire recognition of one ness in everyone?
By bringing the connection forward to be recognized as common amongst
mankind.
peace & Love
>
> On May 15, 4:42 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On May 15, 4:24 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Ok, so I understand what Chris is saying. What is your idea tinker?
>
> > To establish a common recognition of the connection in the mind that
> > is our common link.
>
> > > What do we need to recognize that is in our subconscious?
>
> > The connection to all spiritual beliefs.
>
> > And how can
>
> > > we, collectively, do so?
>
> > With a universal symbol to recognize it and free it from dogma.
>
> > And what will the recognition bring about?
>
> > A common recognition of our "One"ness. It would actually be the
> > beginning point of Unity.
>
> > peace & Love
>
> > > I understand that we all have the ability to recognize...
>
> > > On May 15, 4:13 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Not at all, there is no need to be defensive. I am trying to
> > > > understand your idea. So far, all I understand is that this idea is
> > > > so good, you have stopped reading about any other ideas. And that it
> > > > is your idea, not derived from any other (like mine.) So I think it
> > > > is logical for me to ask who Mr. Jenkins is. Also, the fact that
> > > > there is a common thread that runs through us is as old as Hermetic
> > > > Philosophy. How is what you are saying different? And what is it
> > > > that you think we all need to recognize?
>
> > > > On May 15, 4:09 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > You want me to put something on the table for you to butcher. You want
> > > > > to be able to accuse me of trying to shove something down your throat.
>
> > > > > Again, you refuse to discuss the common link that supports your
> > > > > beliefs :-)
>
> > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > On May 15, 3:50 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Let's give tinker a chance to tell us his idea in its entirety. Can
> > > > > > you give it to us without the twenty questions?
>
> > > > > > On May 15, 3:41 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I'm starting to get a Brother Dave vibe here....
>
> > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Tinker <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > It would be bringing it forward in the conscious mind of the
> > > > > > > > individual.
>
> > > > > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > > > > On May 15, 2:55 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > And how do you think the collective subconscious mind comes
> > > > > > > > > forward
> > > > > > > > > into the collective conscious mind?
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 15, 2:48 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > You are right Molly, I have not presented a clear idea. I
> > > > > > > > > > have tried
> > > > > > > > > > to get you to discuss something that is common in the mind
> > > > > > > > > > of all
> > > > > > > > > > mankind.
> > > > > > > > > > You can't bear to talk about it as being common to mankind.
> > > > > > > > > > It is the
> > > > > > > > > > justifier of all that you believe in and if it is the
> > > > > > > > > > justifier of all
> > > > > > > > > > that others believe in your beliefs would loose their
> > > > > > > > > > superiority.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I'm really happy that you are not calling me a
> > > > > > > > > > scientologist :-)
> > > > > > > > > > My ideas are the common threads of all kinds of religious
> > > > > > > > > > dogmas.
>
> > > > > > > > > > So now I will ask, what, exactly is your answer to the
> > > > > > > > > > conundrum of>
> > > > > > > > life, tinker?
>
> > > > > > > > > > To establish a common recognition of the common link in the
> > > > > > > > > > minds of
> > > > > > > > > > mankind.
>
> > > > > > > > > > What symbol do your propose and how will it work to> bring
> > > > > > > > > > the sum
> > > > > > > > total of humanity into the same stage and state of mind?
>
> > > > > > > > > > The symbol will come after understanding the way to, bring
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > collective mind forward from the subconscious to the
> > > > > > > > > > conscious. Then
> > > > > > > > > > mankind will evolve spiritually, as all the great religions
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > sought.
>
> > > > > > > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 1:54 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I did respond directly to you. As far as your idea, you
> > > > > > > > > > > may think
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > have presented a clear idea, but you have not.
> > > > > > > > > > > Communication is a
> > > > > > > > > > > tricky thing, especially when we are responding to posts
> > > > > > > > > > > days after
> > > > > > > > > > > they were saved, and the conversation has gone beyond
> > > > > > > > > > > them already.
> > > > > > > > > > > We all use the language and ideas accumulated thoughout
> > > > > > > > > > > our lifetimes
> > > > > > > > > > > and they reflect our culture, education, etc. You, for
> > > > > > > > > > > example,
> > > > > > > > sound
> > > > > > > > > > > like a scientologist. I'm not saying you are, I'm saying
> > > > > > > > > > > your ideas
> > > > > > > > > > > sound similar.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > So now I will ask, what, exactly is your answer to the
> > > > > > > > > > > conundrum of
> > > > > > > > > > > life, tinker? What symbol do your propose and how will
> > > > > > > > > > > it work to
> > > > > > > > > > > bring the sum total of humanity into the same stage and
> > > > > > > > > > > state of
> > > > > > > > mind?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 1:43 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Molly, I am wide open to everything presented on this
> > > > > > > > > > > > forum. I read
> > > > > > > > > > > > (to understand) every word posted. I don't use the
> > > > > > > > > > > > "rare and
> > > > > > > > wonderful
> > > > > > > > > > > > opportunities for self reflection" as a means of escape.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize for being so arrogant as to stand fast on
> > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge
> > > > > > > > that I
> > > > > > > > > > > > have gained and tested over and over again from
> > > > > > > > > > > > different point of
> > > > > > > > > > > > views to know the truth. Everything that I know has
> > > > > > > > > > > > ground in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > great teachings. But it's a bit here and a piece there
> > > > > > > > > > > > that all
> > > > > > > > come
> > > > > > > > > > > > together to form a 'new knowledge'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > You are the one who is not open to insight. You have
> > > > > > > > > > > > the most
> > > > > > > > > > > > magnificent construction of collected dogmas that I've
> > > > > > > > > > > > ever seen. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > don't think there is a bit of it that you have
> > > > > > > > > > > > developed through
> > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > > own insight.
> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need for you to "go on", I see the great
> > > > > > > > > > > > collection of
> > > > > > > > > > > > intelligence on this forum, that's why I'm here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > You keep trying to pin some kind of ignorance on me. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > know what
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > know, and you won't even talk about what I know.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you come down the page to defend Fran and not
> > > > > > > > > > > > respond to me
> > > > > > > > > > > > above?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:38 am, Molly Brogan
> > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e, I think that the handle that Francis chose to use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in this
> > > > > > > > group
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reflects a very real sense of humility. He speaks to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > us as
> > > > > > > > Francis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the man - not a god or a saint, but fully human. As
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you get to
> > > > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > > > > > > him, you will find his responses compassionate and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > real. His
> > > > > > > > insight
> > > > > > > > > > > > > into tinkers responses here should not be dismissed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > lightly. It
> > > > > > > > takes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > two hands to clap, and tinker has voiced very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > strongly that he is
> > > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to enlighten us. He may, indeed, have some insights.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > But if he
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > open to the insights of Francis or anyone else here,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > he will be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > missing out on rare and wonderful opportunities for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > self
> > > > > > > > reflection
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and growth. If he thinks that he has grown all he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can, and that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "others" are here for him to enlighten, I would say
> > > > > > > > > > > > > he has a long
> > > > > > > > way
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to go. This is the message he conveys. This is what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Francis, in
> > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, is trying to tell tinker - that there is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > an arrogance
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this position that screams unenlightened.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tinker, if you mean something different than this,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > let us know.
> > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have an interesting perspective. Everyone here does.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > One is not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > better or more enlightened than the other. Justin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > has incredibly
> > > > > > > > deep
> > > > > > > > > > > > > insights and enjoys the structure of philosophical
> > > > > > > > > > > > > discourse.
> > > > > > > > Pat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > will string it all out for us like a true physicist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > whose
> > > > > > > > observations
> > > > > > > > > > > > > change the experiment. Francis has a wealth of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > theology and psychology, and the heart of a poet with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a command
> > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > language to do it justice. I could go on and on but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > will end
> > > > > > > > > > > > > suggesting that you stay open to what is offered here.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 6:46 am, e_space <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fran! u seem a bit bothered in your last couple of
> > > > > > > > posts...maybe a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vacation in the arctic would help u chill out a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit. i
> > > > > > > > personally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > havent read a book of significance in about 40
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > years because i
> > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > found what i was looking for...this does not mean
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one
> > > > > > > > should not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > put their views out there does it? maybe tink does
>
> ...
>
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