How would recognition of a symbol introduced consciously, move information from the subconscious to the conscious? And how would the symbol inspire recognition of one ness in everyone?
On May 15, 4:42 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > On May 15, 4:24 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ok, so I understand what Chris is saying. What is your idea tinker? > > To establish a common recognition of the connection in the mind that > is our common link. > > > What do we need to recognize that is in our subconscious? > > The connection to all spiritual beliefs. > > And how can > > > we, collectively, do so? > > With a universal symbol to recognize it and free it from dogma. > > And what will the recognition bring about? > > A common recognition of our "One"ness. It would actually be the > beginning point of Unity. > > peace & Love > > > I understand that we all have the ability to recognize... > > > On May 15, 4:13 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Not at all, there is no need to be defensive. I am trying to > > > understand your idea. So far, all I understand is that this idea is > > > so good, you have stopped reading about any other ideas. And that it > > > is your idea, not derived from any other (like mine.) So I think it > > > is logical for me to ask who Mr. Jenkins is. Also, the fact that > > > there is a common thread that runs through us is as old as Hermetic > > > Philosophy. How is what you are saying different? And what is it > > > that you think we all need to recognize? > > > > On May 15, 4:09 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You want me to put something on the table for you to butcher. You want > > > > to be able to accuse me of trying to shove something down your throat. > > > > > Again, you refuse to discuss the common link that supports your > > > > beliefs :-) > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On May 15, 3:50 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Let's give tinker a chance to tell us his idea in its entirety. Can > > > > > you give it to us without the twenty questions? > > > > > > On May 15, 3:41 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm starting to get a Brother Dave vibe here.... > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It would be bringing it forward in the conscious mind of the > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > On May 15, 2:55 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > And how do you think the collective subconscious mind comes > > > > > > > > forward > > > > > > > > into the collective conscious mind? > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 2:48 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You are right Molly, I have not presented a clear idea. I > > > > > > > > > have tried > > > > > > > > > to get you to discuss something that is common in the mind of > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > You can't bear to talk about it as being common to mankind. > > > > > > > > > It is the > > > > > > > > > justifier of all that you believe in and if it is the > > > > > > > > > justifier of all > > > > > > > > > that others believe in your beliefs would loose their > > > > > > > > > superiority. > > > > > > > > > > I'm really happy that you are not calling me a scientologist > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > My ideas are the common threads of all kinds of religious > > > > > > > > > dogmas. > > > > > > > > > > So now I will ask, what, exactly is your answer to the > > > > > > > > > conundrum of> > > > > > > > life, tinker? > > > > > > > > > > To establish a common recognition of the common link in the > > > > > > > > > minds of > > > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > > What symbol do your propose and how will it work to> bring > > > > > > > > > the sum > > > > > > > total of humanity into the same stage and state of mind? > > > > > > > > > > The symbol will come after understanding the way to, bring the > > > > > > > > > collective mind forward from the subconscious to the > > > > > > > > > conscious. Then > > > > > > > > > mankind will evolve spiritually, as all the great religions > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > sought. > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 1:54 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I did respond directly to you. As far as your idea, you > > > > > > > > > > may think > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have presented a clear idea, but you have not. > > > > > > > > > > Communication is a > > > > > > > > > > tricky thing, especially when we are responding to posts > > > > > > > > > > days after > > > > > > > > > > they were saved, and the conversation has gone beyond them > > > > > > > > > > already. > > > > > > > > > > We all use the language and ideas accumulated thoughout our > > > > > > > > > > lifetimes > > > > > > > > > > and they reflect our culture, education, etc. You, for > > > > > > > > > > example, > > > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > > > like a scientologist. I'm not saying you are, I'm saying > > > > > > > > > > your ideas > > > > > > > > > > sound similar. > > > > > > > > > > > So now I will ask, what, exactly is your answer to the > > > > > > > > > > conundrum of > > > > > > > > > > life, tinker? What symbol do your propose and how will it > > > > > > > > > > work to > > > > > > > > > > bring the sum total of humanity into the same stage and > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > mind? > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 1:43 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Molly, I am wide open to everything presented on this > > > > > > > > > > > forum. I read > > > > > > > > > > > (to understand) every word posted. I don't use the "rare > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > opportunities for self reflection" as a means of escape. > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize for being so arrogant as to stand fast on > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > > > > have gained and tested over and over again from different > > > > > > > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > > > > views to know the truth. Everything that I know has > > > > > > > > > > > ground in the > > > > > > > > > > > great teachings. But it's a bit here and a piece there > > > > > > > > > > > that all > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > together to form a 'new knowledge'. > > > > > > > > > > > You are the one who is not open to insight. You have the > > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > magnificent construction of collected dogmas that I've > > > > > > > > > > > ever seen. I > > > > > > > > > > > don't think there is a bit of it that you have developed > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > own insight. > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need for you to "go on", I see the great > > > > > > > > > > > collection of > > > > > > > > > > > intelligence on this forum, that's why I'm here. > > > > > > > > > > > You keep trying to pin some kind of ignorance on me. I > > > > > > > > > > > know what > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > know, and you won't even talk about what I know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you come down the page to defend Fran and not > > > > > > > > > > > respond to me > > > > > > > > > > > above? > > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:38 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > e, I think that the handle that Francis chose to use in > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > > reflects a very real sense of humility. He speaks to > > > > > > > > > > > > us as > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > > > > the man - not a god or a saint, but fully human. As > > > > > > > > > > > > you get to > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > him, you will find his responses compassionate and > > > > > > > > > > > > real. His > > > > > > > insight > > > > > > > > > > > > into tinkers responses here should not be dismissed > > > > > > > > > > > > lightly. It > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > > two hands to clap, and tinker has voiced very strongly > > > > > > > > > > > > that he is > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > to enlighten us. He may, indeed, have some insights. > > > > > > > > > > > > But if he > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > open to the insights of Francis or anyone else here, he > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > missing out on rare and wonderful opportunities for self > > > > > > > reflection > > > > > > > > > > > > and growth. If he thinks that he has grown all he can, > > > > > > > > > > > > and that > > > > > > > > > > > > "others" are here for him to enlighten, I would say he > > > > > > > > > > > > has a long > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > to go. This is the message he conveys. This is what > > > > > > > > > > > > Francis, in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, is trying to tell tinker - that there is an > > > > > > > > > > > > arrogance > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > this position that screams unenlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tinker, if you mean something different than this, let > > > > > > > > > > > > us know. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > have an interesting perspective. Everyone here does. > > > > > > > > > > > > One is not > > > > > > > > > > > > better or more enlightened than the other. Justin has > > > > > > > > > > > > incredibly > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > insights and enjoys the structure of philosophical > > > > > > > > > > > > discourse. > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > will string it all out for us like a true physicist > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > observations > > > > > > > > > > > > change the experiment. Francis has a wealth of > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding in > > > > > > > > > > > > theology and psychology, and the heart of a poet with a > > > > > > > > > > > > command > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > language to do it justice. I could go on and on but > > > > > > > > > > > > will end > > > > > > > > > > > > suggesting that you stay open to what is offered here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 6:46 am, e_space <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fran! u seem a bit bothered in your last couple of > > > > > > > posts...maybe a > > > > > > > > > > > > > vacation in the arctic would help u chill out a bit. i > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > > > havent read a book of significance in about 40 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > found what i was looking for...this does not mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > that one > > > > > > > should not > > > > > > > > > > > > > put their views out there does it? maybe tink does > > > > > > > > > > > > > what to > > > > > > > spread his > > > > > > > > > > > > > light around...anything wrong with that? u can take > > > > > > > > > > > > > what u want > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, or not, no? speaking of conceited, at least he > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesnt call > > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'tinktheman' ;-^) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 4:57 am, frantheman > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Mai, 02:43, Tinker <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't intend to say that the great works of > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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