How would this differ from the Tao? In fact, some of your posts are very much like Zen Koans.
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On May 15, 4:24 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ok, so I understand what Chris is saying. What is your idea tinker? > > To establish a common recognition of the connection in the mind that > is our common link. > > > What do we need to recognize that is in our subconscious? > > The connection to all spiritual beliefs. > > And how can > > we, collectively, do so? > > With a universal symbol to recognize it and free it from dogma. > > > And what will the recognition bring about? > > A common recognition of our "One"ness. It would actually be the > beginning point of Unity. > > peace & Love > > > I understand that we all have the ability to recognize... > > > > On May 15, 4:13 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Not at all, there is no need to be defensive. I am trying to > > > understand your idea. So far, all I understand is that this idea is > > > so good, you have stopped reading about any other ideas. And that it > > > is your idea, not derived from any other (like mine.) So I think it > > > is logical for me to ask who Mr. Jenkins is. Also, the fact that > > > there is a common thread that runs through us is as old as Hermetic > > > Philosophy. How is what you are saying different? And what is it > > > that you think we all need to recognize? > > > > > On May 15, 4:09 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You want me to put something on the table for you to butcher. You > want > > > > to be able to accuse me of trying to shove something down your > throat. > > > > > > Again, you refuse to discuss the common link that supports your > > > > beliefs :-) > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On May 15, 3:50 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Let's give tinker a chance to tell us his idea in its entirety. > Can > > > > > you give it to us without the twenty questions? > > > > > > > On May 15, 3:41 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm starting to get a Brother Dave vibe here.... > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > It would be bringing it forward in the conscious mind of the > > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 2:55 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > And how do you think the collective subconscious mind comes > forward > > > > > > > > into the collective conscious mind? > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 2:48 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You are right Molly, I have not presented a clear idea. I > have tried > > > > > > > > > to get you to discuss something that is common in the mind > of all > > > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > You can't bear to talk about it as being common to mankind. > It is the > > > > > > > > > justifier of all that you believe in and if it is the > justifier of all > > > > > > > > > that others believe in your beliefs would loose their > superiority. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm really happy that you are not calling me a > scientologist :-) > > > > > > > > > My ideas are the common threads of all kinds of religious > dogmas. > > > > > > > > > > > So now I will ask, what, exactly is your answer to the > conundrum of> > > > > > > > life, tinker? > > > > > > > > > > > To establish a common recognition of the common link in the > minds of > > > > > > > > > mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > What symbol do your propose and how will it work to> bring > the sum > > > > > > > total of humanity into the same stage and state of mind? > > > > > > > > > > > The symbol will come after understanding the way to, bring > the > > > > > > > > > collective mind forward from the subconscious to the > conscious. Then > > > > > > > > > mankind will evolve spiritually, as all the great religions > have > > > > > > > > > sought. > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 1:54 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I did respond directly to you. As far as your idea, you > may think > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have presented a clear idea, but you have not. > Communication is a > > > > > > > > > > tricky thing, especially when we are responding to posts > days after > > > > > > > > > > they were saved, and the conversation has gone beyond > them already. > > > > > > > > > > We all use the language and ideas accumulated thoughout > our lifetimes > > > > > > > > > > and they reflect our culture, education, etc. You, for > example, > > > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > > > like a scientologist. I'm not saying you are, I'm saying > your ideas > > > > > > > > > > sound similar. > > > > > > > > > > > > So now I will ask, what, exactly is your answer to the > conundrum of > > > > > > > > > > life, tinker? What symbol do your propose and how will > it work to > > > > > > > > > > bring the sum total of humanity into the same stage and > state of > > > > > > > mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 1:43 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Molly, I am wide open to everything presented on this > forum. I read > > > > > > > > > > > (to understand) every word posted. I don't use the > "rare and > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > opportunities for self reflection" as a means of > escape. > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize for being so arrogant as to stand fast on > knowledge > > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > > > > have gained and tested over and over again from > different point of > > > > > > > > > > > views to know the truth. Everything that I know has > ground in the > > > > > > > > > > > great teachings. But it's a bit here and a piece there > that all > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > together to form a 'new knowledge'. > > > > > > > > > > > You are the one who is not open to insight. You have > the most > > > > > > > > > > > magnificent construction of collected dogmas that I've > ever seen. I > > > > > > > > > > > don't think there is a bit of it that you have > developed through > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > own insight. > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need for you to "go on", I see the great > collection of > > > > > > > > > > > intelligence on this forum, that's why I'm here. > > > > > > > > > > > You keep trying to pin some kind of ignorance on me. I > know what > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > know, and you won't even talk about what I know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you come down the page to defend Fran and not > respond to me > > > > > > > > > > > above? > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:38 am, Molly Brogan < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e, I think that the handle that Francis chose to use > in this > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > > reflects a very real sense of humility. He speaks to > us as > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > > > > the man - not a god or a saint, but fully human. As > you get to > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > him, you will find his responses compassionate and > real. His > > > > > > > insight > > > > > > > > > > > > into tinkers responses here should not be dismissed > lightly. It > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > > two hands to clap, and tinker has voiced very > strongly that he is > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > to enlighten us. He may, indeed, have some insights. > But if he > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > open to the insights of Francis or anyone else here, > he will be > > > > > > > > > > > > missing out on rare and wonderful opportunities for > self > > > > > > > reflection > > > > > > > > > > > > and growth. If he thinks that he has grown all he > can, and that > > > > > > > > > > > > "others" are here for him to enlighten, I would say > he has a long > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > to go. This is the message he conveys. This is what > Francis, in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion, is trying to tell tinker - that there is > an arrogance > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > this position that screams unenlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tinker, if you mean something different than this, > let us know. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > have an interesting perspective. Everyone here does. > One is not > > > > > > > > > > > > better or more enlightened than the other. Justin > has incredibly > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > insights and enjoys the structure of philosophical > discourse. > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > will string it all out for us like a true physicist > whose > > > > > > > observations > > > > > > > > > > > > change the experiment. Francis has a wealth of > understanding in > > > > > > > > > > > > theology and psychology, and the heart of a poet with > a command > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > language to do it justice. I could go on and on but > will end > > > > > > > > > > > > suggesting that you stay open to what is offered > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 6:46 am, e_space <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fran! u seem a bit bothered in your last couple of > > > > > > > posts...maybe a > > > > > > > > > > > > > vacation in the arctic would help u chill out a > bit. i > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > > > havent read a book of significance in about 40 > years because i > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > found what i was looking for...this does not mean > that one > > > > > > > should not > > > > > > > > > > > > > put their views out there does it? maybe tink does > what to > > > > > > > spread his > > > > > > > > > > > > > light around...anything wrong with that? u can take > what u want > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, or not, no? speaking of conceited, at least he > doesnt call > > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'tinktheman' ;-^) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 4:57 am, frantheman < > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15 Mai, 02:43, Tinker <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't intend to say that the great works of a > lot of > > > > > > > people are not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great. I don't need to study anymore, I have > found that > > > > > > > which I was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking and am trying to go forward with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This attitude makes discussion with you > difficult, Tinker. If > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced you have found the Philosopher's Stone, > then why do > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enter into discourse with us here? Do you see any > possibility > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dialectical development in discussion with > others? Is there a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility that your views will develop and even > change > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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