We have direct access to the truth of scripture always. That atheists have lost awareness of those processes and that is the lose they refer to. Because they have lost access to spiritual truth they prefer to consider that spiritual truth to be not real in an effort to placate their ego and to cloak their ignorance in a facade of respectability.
Also, for atheists to focus on 'copies of copies' is a mistaken extension on their dependence on citation and the opinions of others. They have lost all notion of their ability to do their own spiritual inquiry. On May 20, 9:04 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > There is the idea that all we have left is copies of copies of the > lost original that itself was somehow never real. > > On 20 May, 22:33, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Your rhetoric is pure sophistry aimed to irritate and demean. I am > > herewith asking the powers that be on this forum to ban you from > > participation with and the company of those who have proven themselves > > time and again to be rational, even-handed, fair and at times even > > logical. > > > On May 20, 5:45 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Pointing out that all atheist statements about atheism and indeed > > > about religion are are based on logical and/or > > > factual error is part of rational discourse. I understand why > > > atheists might be upset and feel insulted or that they are being > > > 'talked down to' because if they are suddenly vulnerable when faced > > > the the factual and logical falseness of their belief system and being > > > vulnerable they react by striking out. But attacking the messenger > > > doesn't change the truth of the message and the the attack tends to > > > prove lack of substance behind atheism. > > > > On May 19, 1:58 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Can you respond to anyone here without being insulting and talking > > > > down to people? > > > > > On May 18, 2:53 pm, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I, of course, refer to all atheists. All their statements about > > > > > atheism and indeed about religion are are based on logical and/or > > > > > factual error. > > > > > > On May 18, 3:59 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know what atheists your speaking of, but they are not the > > > > > > ones > > > > > > I know and respect. > > > > > > > On May 18, 9:19 am, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Atheists claim to operate in a world of reason and logic but do so > > > > > > > poorly. Because they insist on living in a relative world logical > > > > > > > reasoning can be applied to them because logical reasoning only > > > > > > > works > > > > > > > in a relative world.. > > > > > > > > Let's begin by looking at their addiction to sense impression. > > > > > > > They > > > > > > > believe those sense impressions deliver a true version of reality > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > never once wonder how those senses which are subject to failure, > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be being interpreted according to the biases of the atheist, and > > > > > > > having limits in what they are able to sense are able to present > > > > > > > reality at all. Atheists mistakenly believe that the limit of what > > > > > > > they are able to perceive is the limit of what is. > > > > > > > > On May 18, 11:11 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Man that's quite the claim to make. Now I'd like to see you > > > > > > > > back that > > > > > > > > one up without recourse to logical reasoning. > > > > > > > > > On 18 May, 13:41, omprem <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 7:53 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Bah Slip you are a one huh. > > > > > > > > > > > Come now there are no sheep here, free thinkers all, > > > > > > > > > > OMPREM: When it comes to atheists they are neither free nor > > > > > > > > > do they > > > > > > > > > think. > > > > > > > > > > Atheists are not free because they are addicted to sense > > > > > > > > > impression > > > > > > > > > and the pleasures that can be derived therefrom; because they > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > addicted to the appearance of thought in their minds > > > > > > > > > apparently > > > > > > > > > mistakenly believing that because they can ideate something > > > > > > > > > it must > > > > > > > > > therefore be true; and because they preoccupied with > > > > > > > > > aggrandizing > > > > > > > > > their mistaken notion of have being an individuated ego. > > > > > > > > > Atheists > > > > > > > > > cannot think because they are addicted to their own bias and > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > passes for thought for them is merely attempts to prop up and > > > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > their bias. Every statement of atheism rests on a shaky > > > > > > > > > foundation of > > > > > > > > > logical and factual error. > > > > > > > > > > and you know > > > > > > > > > > > that. As to my post, well I saw that nobody had yet made a > > > > > > > > > > go of the > > > > > > > > > > thread, and lacking any other data I went with the tilte > > > > > > > > > > and so posted > > > > > > > > > > in that vein. > > > > > > > > > > > We can all sit there and moan about the qaulity of the > > > > > > > > > > thread or the > > > > > > > > > > lack of direction from the OP, or we can choose to try and > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > something of it. Ironic isn't it how you say that you are > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > lemming and yet ask for direction in the same post! > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 May, 04:18, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I had posted early on as to the vagueness of the initial > > > > > > > > > > > thread, I see > > > > > > > > > > > it has been removed. The OP was also initially responded > > > > > > > > > > > to very > > > > > > > > > > > appropriately by Ian. The subject has still yet to be > > > > > > > > > > > revealed. I'm > > > > > > > > > > > not a lemming that needs to follow suit with those who > > > > > > > > > > > think the OP is > > > > > > > > > > > asking for book suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 10:00 pm, Chris Jenkins > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > What were your suggestions, Slip? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Slip Disc > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking more like yada yada one track mind, ID. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 17, 9:04 pm, iam deheretic > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read or rather examined someof your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > titles,, for me they fall > > > > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the catagory of yaddah yaddah gobblegook. so I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never finished reading > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM, omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meditation Bibliography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meditation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. 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Ariel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Press, 205-289 S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main St. Alpharetta, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GA 30201, USA (1-800-335-7769). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Awakening Life Force: The Philosophy and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychology of “Spontaneous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga” > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Rajarshi Muni, Llewellyn Publications, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > St. Paul, Minn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 55164-0383, U.S.A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ISBN 0-87542-581-X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayurveda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Ayurveda and the Mind: the Healing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness. David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frawley. Lotus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Press, PO Box 325, Twin Lakes, Wisconsin, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 53181. ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0-914955-36-5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. The Ayurvedic Cookbook: a Personalized Guide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Good Nutrition and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amadea Morningstar with Urmila Desai, Lotus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Press, PO Box 325, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twin Lakes, WI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 53181. ISBN 0.914955.06.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. Yoga & Ayurveda. David Frawley. Lotus Press, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PO Box 325, Twin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakes, Wisconsin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > USA 53181. ISBN 0-914955-81-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hatha Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Yoga Mind and Body. Sivananda Yoga Vedanta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Center, London. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fireside Books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ltd., Willowdale, ON Canada. ISBN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1-55209-013-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. The Sivananda Companion to Yoga. 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