Puppy, I would ask that you refrain from cross posting your cut and paste stories across multiple threads, One will suffice.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM, puppy <[email protected]> wrote: > > Another viewpoint. Another possibility. "Death is not a period but a > comma in the story of life." (author unknown) > > > Clarification and Being > > Jean-Yves Leloup, mystic, theologian and scholar, book The > Gospels of Mary Magdalene is a thought provoking. It is a book with > wisdom for believers, skeptics, agnostics and atheists. Jean-Yves > Leloup has written a stunning commentary on the ancient Gnostic text. > One of the proverbs from the Gospel of Mary Magdalene.: The > teacher(God) answered: "All that is born, all that is created, all > the elements of nature are inter-woven and united with each other. > All that is composed will decompose; everything returns to the roots; > matter returns to the order of matter: " > These words, written 2,000 years ago, are not religious dogma, > linguistic meanderings or rhetoric, but ancient knowledge which > coincides with what science knows to be true today. Here science and > spiritually meet and separate at the same time: because science does > not yet fully agree, with the spiritual dimension of the proverbs. > The Gospels of Mary Magdalene say: 'That the teachers (God) > words are the beginning of the return to being fully human and > discovering the real world and the wisdom of God which are also the > words of ancient wisdom." > > Leloup writes: “Everything returns to its roots; matter returns to > the original matter. All evolution involves a return. To return is > not to go back--rather to go forward..... It is a return to the place > that is our origin and our destiny....We return to the Source and the > beginning." > > The Gospels of Mary Magdalene are about a Kingdom we can know as > living beings in this world. The knowledge is meant to re-interrogate > humans with theirselves so they can become fully human and above the > illusions, attachments and the suffering brought to life through the > seven deadly sins of: pride, lust, envy anger, covetousness, > gluttony, and sloth. Which are present, and the motives, in the > greater sins of genocide, wars, murder, fraud, violence, pedophilia, > rape and the sins of skepticism. pessimism and cynicism which are the > final disillusionment. For God says: There are no sins. It is man > that makes sin exist. > > Leloup writes: “Through the poor use of our senses, > intelligence, and emotions, these faculties have become disoriented- > they have lost there orient, that is to say, their attunment with the > Being that is at the heart of all impermanence, transitory phenomena > of the world. It is only this disorientation that enables us to > pervert ourselves, society, and the universal order itself.” As we > have noticed in the turmoil of our senses and in the world. > Leloup says: “Furthermore the Kingdom that is spoken of in The > Gospels of Mary Magdalene must not be confused with the return to > some sort of lost paradise or a state of consciousness. Rather it is > the awakening to this very dimension of Being that is the source of > our existence now, and of the mystery of there being something instead > of nothing." > > On Jun 18, 1:16 pm, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote: > > For some time, being retired, I have been thinking about such > > ultimate questions as: why are we here, what is life all about, what > > happens when we die, and do we continue to exist after we die. Drawing > > on a lifetime of reading and experience, I think I’ve arrived at some > > unusual answers. > > To begin building a foundation for those answers, I first > wondered > > about just who I am; what is it that is me? I don’t believe I’m the > > reflection I see in the mirror. No. If I lost an arm or leg, I still > > believe I would be 100% me. It seems that the real me, then, is the > > consciousness that is within my body. Hmmm. How might I check this? > > How about my memory. During part of my working career I was > involved > > with data storage and encoding, the object being to pack as much > > information into as little storage as possible. If you think about all > > the things you remember – scenes, happenings, conversations, other > > sounds, smells, numbers, taught information, etc. – and the capacity > > of the human brain, it is clear that the human brain can remember at > > most only a day or two of recent events. So where are the things I > > remember stored? > > I happen to have had a couple of out-of-body experiences. I > recall > > being conscious of looking at my body lying on a bed, and of being > > able to look around the room and out the window. Each time the > > experience scared me, and I quickly returned to my body. But while out- > > of-body I now realize that I could recall everything I could think of > > while in my body; the me that was in my body was still the me that was > > out of my body. > > Many books describe out-of-body experiences. The best, I think, > is > > Thirty Years Among the Dead by Dr. Carl Wickland. In it, he discusses > > numerous examples of patients who had died yet whose spirit was still > > “here,” entwined with another body. In each case, the spirit of the > > now dead person had what seems to be a perfectly normal memory of > > their life, and exhibited the personality quirks they had while alive. > > So it seems that the human memory resides elsewhere that in the human > > body. > > Fine, but still why am I here? Indeed, why is anybody or anything > > here? Consider what “here” is. We know that this world, and everything > > else in the universe, is matter disbursed in an almost infinite amount > > of space. But then we also know that E=mc². In words, this "here" can > > be reduced to the simple statement that all is energy, even matter. So > > “here” is a vast pool of energy, a pool that includes each of us as > > well as everything else in this physical universe. Yet it seems that > > our memory does not reside in this physical universe, given that it is > > not the me in the mirror but is present in out-of-body experiences. > > Could it be that there is a consciousness, what might be called an > > infinite consciousness, that contains each of our memories as well as > > everything else that has ever happened anywhere in the universe at any > > time, and maybe even a lot more than that? I don’t know of anything to > > disprove this possibility, so let’s assume for now that it might be > > correct. > > So why am I here? Well, all that is in the universe might be here > > simply because it pleases the infinite consciousness that this is so. > > It is simply an exercise of an attribute of that consciousness. Fine. > > But why am I here? Assume that the infinite consciousness wishes to > > experience this physical universe. Of course this could be done by > > endowing each thing in the universe with its own consciousness. That > > consciousness would know that it was part of a much greater whole. But > > it would also know that it was discrete in and of itself. Yet we don’t > > know that – each of us believes that we are complete and separate from > > all others; we have the freedom to be whatever we choose and do > > whatever we want. It’s as if there is a veil or curtain between our > > discrete consciousness and the infinite consciousness, this veil > > concealing our connection to the whole. (Unless we ponder such things > > as where our memories are stored.) Put differently, the only way the > > infinite consciousness can experience this universe from within the > > universe is to use such a veil to conceal from the individual’s > > consciousness his connection to the whole. Could that be why we are > > here? I think so. > > So what happens at death? Drawing on this view of consciousness, > both > > individual and infinite, it would seem that all that happens at death > > is that the physical body ceases to function. The individual > > consciousness continues. And that is just what books like Dr. > > Wickland’s report. If you want to know what happens beyond death, the > > Seth books by Jane Roberts gives one view, or answer, a view that > > seems to build on that expressed by Dr. Wickland. > > I would welcome reading your reaction to all this. Does it make > sense > > to you? Is this a rational and sufficient explanation of the ultimate > > questions, or of why we are here? Or not? > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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