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On Jun 19, 8:03 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> Puppy, I would ask that you refrain from cross posting your cut and paste
> stories across multiple threads, One will suffice.
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM, puppy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Another viewpoint. Another possibility. "Death is not a period but a
> > comma in the story of life." (author unknown)
>
> > Clarification and Being
>
> > Jean-Yves Leloup, mystic, theologian and scholar, book The
> > Gospels of Mary Magdalene is a thought provoking. It is a book with
> > wisdom for believers, skeptics, agnostics and atheists. Jean-Yves
> > Leloup has written a stunning commentary on the ancient Gnostic text.
> > One of the proverbs from the Gospel of Mary Magdalene.: The
> > teacher(God) answered: "All that is born, all that is created, all
> > the elements of nature are inter-woven and united with each other.
> > All that is composed will decompose; everything returns to the roots;
> > matter returns to the order of matter: "
> > These words, written 2,000 years ago, are not religious dogma,
> > linguistic meanderings or rhetoric, but ancient knowledge which
> > coincides with what science knows to be true today. Here science and
> > spiritually meet and separate at the same time: because science does
> > not yet fully agree, with the spiritual dimension of the proverbs.
> > The Gospels of Mary Magdalene say: 'That the teachers (God)
> > words are the beginning of the return to being fully human and
> > discovering the real world and the wisdom of God which are also the
> > words of ancient wisdom."
>
> > Leloup writes: “Everything returns to its roots; matter returns to
> > the original matter. All evolution involves a return. To return is
> > not to go back--rather to go forward..... It is a return to the place
> > that is our origin and our destiny....We return to the Source and the
> > beginning."
>
> > The Gospels of Mary Magdalene are about a Kingdom we can know as
> > living beings in this world. The knowledge is meant to re-interrogate
> > humans with theirselves so they can become fully human and above the
> > illusions, attachments and the suffering brought to life through the
> > seven deadly sins of: pride, lust, envy anger, covetousness,
> > gluttony, and sloth. Which are present, and the motives, in the
> > greater sins of genocide, wars, murder, fraud, violence, pedophilia,
> > rape and the sins of skepticism. pessimism and cynicism which are the
> > final disillusionment. For God says: There are no sins. It is man
> > that makes sin exist.
>
> > Leloup writes: “Through the poor use of our senses,
> > intelligence, and emotions, these faculties have become disoriented-
> > they have lost there orient, that is to say, their attunment with the
> > Being that is at the heart of all impermanence, transitory phenomena
> > of the world. It is only this disorientation that enables us to
> > pervert ourselves, society, and the universal order itself.” As we
> > have noticed in the turmoil of our senses and in the world.
> > Leloup says: “Furthermore the Kingdom that is spoken of in The
> > Gospels of Mary Magdalene must not be confused with the return to
> > some sort of lost paradise or a state of consciousness. Rather it is
> > the awakening to this very dimension of Being that is the source of
> > our existence now, and of the mystery of there being something instead
> > of nothing."
>
> > On Jun 18, 1:16 pm, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > For some time, being retired, I have been thinking about such
> > > ultimate questions as: why are we here, what is life all about, what
> > > happens when we die, and do we continue to exist after we die. Drawing
> > > on a lifetime of reading and experience, I think I’ve arrived at some
> > > unusual answers.
> > > To begin building a foundation for those answers, I first
> > wondered
> > > about just who I am; what is it that is me? I don’t believe I’m the
> > > reflection I see in the mirror. No. If I lost an arm or leg, I still
> > > believe I would be 100% me. It seems that the real me, then, is the
> > > consciousness that is within my body. Hmmm. How might I check this?
> > > How about my memory. During part of my working career I was
> > involved
> > > with data storage and encoding, the object being to pack as much
> > > information into as little storage as possible. If you think about all
> > > the things you remember – scenes, happenings, conversations, other
> > > sounds, smells, numbers, taught information, etc. – and the capacity
> > > of the human brain, it is clear that the human brain can remember at
> > > most only a day or two of recent events. So where are the things I
> > > remember stored?
> > > I happen to have had a couple of out-of-body experiences. I
> > recall
> > > being conscious of looking at my body lying on a bed, and of being
> > > able to look around the room and out the window. Each time the
> > > experience scared me, and I quickly returned to my body. But while out-
> > > of-body I now realize that I could recall everything I could think of
> > > while in my body; the me that was in my body was still the me that was
> > > out of my body.
> > > Many books describe out-of-body experiences. The best, I think,
> > is
> > > Thirty Years Among the Dead by Dr. Carl Wickland. In it, he discusses
> > > numerous examples of patients who had died yet whose spirit was still
> > > “here,” entwined with another body. In each case, the spirit of the
> > > now dead person had what seems to be a perfectly normal memory of
> > > their life, and exhibited the personality quirks they had while alive.
> > > So it seems that the human memory resides elsewhere that in the human
> > > body.
> > > Fine, but still why am I here? Indeed, why is anybody or anything
> > > here? Consider what “here” is. We know that this world, and everything
> > > else in the universe, is matter disbursed in an almost infinite amount
> > > of space. But then we also know that E=mc². In words, this "here" can
> > > be reduced to the simple statement that all is energy, even matter. So
> > > “here” is a vast pool of energy, a pool that includes each of us as
> > > well as everything else in this physical universe. Yet it seems that
> > > our memory does not reside in this physical universe, given that it is
> > > not the me in the mirror but is present in out-of-body experiences.
> > > Could it be that there is a consciousness, what might be called an
> > > infinite consciousness, that contains each of our memories as well as
> > > everything else that has ever happened anywhere in the universe at any
> > > time, and maybe even a lot more than that? I don’t know of anything to
> > > disprove this possibility, so let’s assume for now that it might be
> > > correct.
> > > So why am I here? Well, all that is in the universe might be here
> > > simply because it pleases the infinite consciousness that this is so.
> > > It is simply an exercise of an attribute of that consciousness. Fine.
> > > But why am I here? Assume that the infinite consciousness wishes to
> > > experience this physical universe. Of course this could be done by
> > > endowing each thing in the universe with its own consciousness. That
> > > consciousness would know that it was part of a much greater whole. But
> > > it would also know that it was discrete in and of itself. Yet we don’t
> > > know that – each of us believes that we are complete and separate from
> > > all others; we have the freedom to be whatever we choose and do
> > > whatever we want. It’s as if there is a veil or curtain between our
> > > discrete consciousness and the infinite consciousness, this veil
> > > concealing our connection to the whole. (Unless we ponder such things
> > > as where our memories are stored.) Put differently, the only way the
> > > infinite consciousness can experience this universe from within the
> > > universe is to use such a veil to conceal from the individual’s
> > > consciousness his connection to the whole. Could that be why we are
> > > here? I think so.
> > > So what happens at death? Drawing on this view of consciousness,
> > both
> > > individual and infinite, it would seem that all that happens at death
> > > is that the physical body ceases to function. The individual
> > > consciousness continues. And that is just what books like Dr.
> > > Wickland’s report. If you want to know what happens beyond death, the
> > > Seth books by Jane Roberts gives one view, or answer, a view that
> > > seems to build on that expressed by Dr. Wickland.
> > > I would welcome reading your reaction to all this. Does it make
> > sense
> > > to you? Is this a rational and sufficient explanation of the ultimate
> > > questions, or of why we are here? Or not?
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