Well, everything we do has an element of control to it, but I think
what you're talking about is what I call a healthy self interest where
each party has a concern for their own well being as well as the well
being of the other parties involved.  It works well in economics, so
it should work will in any form of relationship with others.  And
letting the leaf fall unnoticed is but another form of forgiveness, a
silent one which more often than not is the more correct form.

On Jul 3, 11:57 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> A simple apology doesn't need to count cards- so much depends on what
> we are talking about here- a grievous offence, a crime, a careless or
> hurtful remark? You can go from a-z on this. How fat is the file?
> Let's take the last item- does it bring up unresolved resentments?
> Control of another? I think a resolution that solves the ISSUE while
> leaving the other intact with respect/love and integrity is healthy.
> Take the family- such an exposed unit covering many years of remarks
> and acts- there are going to be buttons to push under stress and from
> the family you can pull the yarn to include friendships, loves,
> business, nations. Then there is the strategy of letting the other off
> the hook like an autum leaf- without a word or demand.
>
> On Jul 3, 9:03 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Apology is also about finessing a situation, but its main purpose is
> > redemption and easing guilt.
>
> > On Jul 3, 2:09 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:44 AM,
>
> > > [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Is aplogy about redemption, or the soothing of the guilt?
>
> > > Both.
>
> > > dj
>
> > > > On 3 July, 03:10, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> Since the topic appears to be winding down and I don’t believe I’ve
> > > >> chimed in yet, decades ago I learned that true redemption would
> > > >> include things like replacing something I have broken owned by another
> > > >> if possible and similar ‘making whole’ the apparent ‘other’. In some
> > > >> cases, this isn’t possible. Those times I’ve found that the simple
> > > >> words “I’m sorry.”, while not quite full redemption in such cases, do
> > > >> help the situation and pacify my psyche.
>
> > > >> On Jul 2, 4:26 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> > Yes- or to retreat from the world, if possible. I have no trouble 
> > > >> > with
> > > >> > ordinary people- I have troubles with history and headlines. I've
> > > >> > never liked the mechanics of cliques. The home is a haven- fill it
> > > >> > with music and books.
>
> > > >> > On Jul 1, 7:36 am, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > I hesitate to say this, because at the moment I don't exactly live
> > > >> > > it. But if the world is filled with evil/harm, and you think it's a
> > > >> > > bad thing, isn't the only way to have integrity is to live your 
> > > >> > > life
> > > >> > > the way you believe the world should be?
>
> > > >> > > On Jun 30, 5:01 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > Some acts are beyond forgiveness. I think the problem is that we 
> > > >> > > > have
> > > >> > > > this hope that the world/people are good when in fact we live in 
> > > >> > > > world
> > > >> > > > that contains great amounts of evil/harm. It is not wise to be 
> > > >> > > > naive.
>
> > > >> > > > On Jun 30, 10:42 am, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > > I'm with Vam on this one. Sincere apology is very important to 
> > > >> > > > > me. It
> > > >> > > > > is a way to keep myself honest. I feel that I need to 
> > > >> > > > > apologize if
> > > >> > > > > I've wronged someone. This makes me more aware of what I do, 
> > > >> > > > > and how
> > > >> > > > > it effects other people. A sincere apology is a gateway to 
> > > >> > > > > change,
> > > >> > > > > it's an admission of a wrong, which is the first step in really
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