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On Jul 8, 8:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Slip, thanks for the wonderful topic. > > It is one that I’ve been contemplating a lot the last couple of years > with no clear resolution, so what I type here will as a consequence > appear incoherent necessarily. > > “Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some point in > time.” – sd > > Yes, all things have a beginning, middle and an end. This is true for > what many call ‘life’ too. This I say even though I fully embrace that > eternal spark within us all. Sometimes I express our ‘being’ in the > world as an aspect of > emanation.http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/emanatio.htmhttp://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinus.htm > etc. > This even though there are vastly differing understandings of this > view. So, when one talks about life, the very nature of being and what > we are as human beings needs to be fully addressed and understood. Few > do either. Without clarity on this primary point, the rest of our > musings, including the notion of influence or doing or personal will > are more like comic book stories projected upon a large panorama with > no actual life or being to be found. > > For the nonce, I’ll rant on some of the components of your post and > then continue with my own projection of my best understanding of the > topic. > > “Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what are we as > individuals doing to influence the world as those that we see on > television.” – sd > > Seen as an analogy, the above is wonderful Slip! And, television is > but a commercial venture today with no more illusion to existing for > the common good. What is seen there is almost entirely one thing, an > attempt at influencing the watcher into purchasing something: from > coke to cars, from religion to ratatui, from drugs to democracy, from > opinions to being objects of social engineering. (A side plug here for > Chomsky’s clarity here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJuqoDvyXOk > part 1 of 9) > > “There are those of us who sit idly within our private worlds and > judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our own world, > to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes our world > the right world for each of us.” – sd > > Quite insightful again Slip and another great analogy…that of the > painter. You continue with: “The real world is always tomorrow as each > of us realize that we are soon to become part of the past and that all > of what we have fashioned for ourselves somehow, someday becomes just > a dream.” – sd > > As wonderful and clear as this is, and I share similar musings, I must > ask, is not it all ‘just a dream’? Even your additional reminder to > wake up: “One need only to think ahead as a 99 year old person, who > stares into space reminiscing the past and realizing it was all just a > temporary ride."What have I done?", "What was I thinking?", "Why did > I buy the dream?"” > > Is not even this a dream for us? I feel that in many ways it is. To > support this view, I’ll quickly recap. Life is transitory. We absorb > and reflect what we see. This absorption and reflection is influenced > by previous attachments we have acquired ad infinitum! (along with > things like hormones, neural chemistry, the seasons, dna etc.) The > result is what we call ‘self’…and this self in such a chain of events > is but a ripple in the stream of life…using ID’s analogy. Thus, there > is the emanation aspect of ‘being’. > > This, to me, can only be observed clarified internally. Doing this > requires vision that is of what some would call a divine stance… a > universal and eternal view. Without tapping into this spark of the > eternal creation, our actions are but that of an automaton embracing > the noise in our heads as being freedom to act. This sort of self > deification, believing in methods others have used on matter and > attempting to transfer such methods to the ancient practice of self > observation often results in even more comical two dimensional > characters. > > So, when you ask “Have you in some way influenced the world? Are you > buying a dream? Do you think that you have some say in the future, > your future, the future of your progeny, of your planet, of > your.....................................................? “ Slip, I > can in all honesty say that I feel little to no influence, mainly due > to watching what some would call my actions and intentions and seeing > them as having a beginning long ago, thus merely harmonizing with the > universe. > > Am I buying a dream? Only in the sense of having found that I have > been asleep, I remain asleep in some ways…not as a purchase from > another, but as one aspect of the awakening process. > > Do I think that I have some say in the future..? Only in the sense > that my thoughts do take this form on occasion, like when I call my > congressman and take personal action for the good. However, do note > that this is based on thoughts, not the foundational base of being. > > Most likely unlike others here, I will echo the words of a great > teacher: “Don’t touch the painting.” > > On Jul 8, 1:23 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some point in > > time. Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what are > > we as individuals doing to influence the world as those that we see on > > television. There are those of us who sit idly within our private > > worlds and judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our > > own world, to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes > > our world the right world for each of us. > > The real world is always tomorrow as each of us realize that we are > > soon to become part of the past and that all of what we have fashioned > > for ourselves somehow, someday becomes just a dream. > > One need only to think ahead as a 99 year old person, who stares into > > space reminiscing the past and realizing it was all just a temporary > > ride. > > "What have I done?", "What was I thinking?", "Why did I buy the > > dream?" > > > Have you in some way influenced the world? > > > Are you buying a dream? > > > Do you think that you have some say in the future, your future, the > > future of your progeny, of your planet, of > > your.....................................................?- Hide quoted > > text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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