That was great Orn, such introspection revealed in a extrovertive way and good links as well. I think you zeroed in on what I was thinking when I formed the op. The contemplative moments in life are or can be fleeting and one must take every opportunity to delve into, whenever possible, those moments. You have brought out much that was subdued in my thoughts and expanded that which was only hinted at, like a seed that eventually blossoms. I've been so disconnected lately after oral surgery and the ensuing onslaught of the pain management program. I feel like I'm reentering a lost world and that is perhaps why I engaged a transversal mental modality. Thanks for the expansion.
On Jul 8, 10:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Slip, thanks for the wonderful topic. > > It is one that I’ve been contemplating a lot the last couple of years > with no clear resolution, so what I type here will as a consequence > appear incoherent necessarily. > > “Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some point in > time.” – sd > > Yes, all things have a beginning, middle and an end. This is true for > what many call ‘life’ too. This I say even though I fully embrace that > eternal spark within us all. Sometimes I express our ‘being’ in the > world as an aspect of > emanation.http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/emanatio.htmhttp://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinus.htm > etc. > This even though there are vastly differing understandings of this > view. So, when one talks about life, the very nature of being and what > we are as human beings needs to be fully addressed and understood. Few > do either. Without clarity on this primary point, the rest of our > musings, including the notion of influence or doing or personal will > are more like comic book stories projected upon a large panorama with > no actual life or being to be found. > > For the nonce, I’ll rant on some of the components of your post and > then continue with my own projection of my best understanding of the > topic. > > “Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what are we as > individuals doing to influence the world as those that we see on > television.” – sd > > Seen as an analogy, the above is wonderful Slip! And, television is > but a commercial venture today with no more illusion to existing for > the common good. What is seen there is almost entirely one thing, an > attempt at influencing the watcher into purchasing something: from > coke to cars, from religion to ratatui, from drugs to democracy, from > opinions to being objects of social engineering. (A side plug here for > Chomsky’s clarity here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJuqoDvyXOk > part 1 of 9) > > “There are those of us who sit idly within our private worlds and > judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our own world, > to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes our world > the right world for each of us.” – sd > > Quite insightful again Slip and another great analogy…that of the > painter. You continue with: “The real world is always tomorrow as each > of us realize that we are soon to become part of the past and that all > of what we have fashioned for ourselves somehow, someday becomes just > a dream.” – sd > > As wonderful and clear as this is, and I share similar musings, I must > ask, is not it all ‘just a dream’? Even your additional reminder to > wake up: “One need only to think ahead as a 99 year old person, who > stares into space reminiscing the past and realizing it was all just a > temporary ride."What have I done?", "What was I thinking?", "Why did > I buy the dream?"” > > Is not even this a dream for us? I feel that in many ways it is. To > support this view, I’ll quickly recap. Life is transitory. We absorb > and reflect what we see. This absorption and reflection is influenced > by previous attachments we have acquired ad infinitum! (along with > things like hormones, neural chemistry, the seasons, dna etc.) The > result is what we call ‘self’…and this self in such a chain of events > is but a ripple in the stream of life…using ID’s analogy. Thus, there > is the emanation aspect of ‘being’. > > This, to me, can only be observed clarified internally. Doing this > requires vision that is of what some would call a divine stance… a > universal and eternal view. Without tapping into this spark of the > eternal creation, our actions are but that of an automaton embracing > the noise in our heads as being freedom to act. This sort of self > deification, believing in methods others have used on matter and > attempting to transfer such methods to the ancient practice of self > observation often results in even more comical two dimensional > characters. > > So, when you ask “Have you in some way influenced the world? Are you > buying a dream? Do you think that you have some say in the future, > your future, the future of your progeny, of your planet, of > your.....................................................? “ Slip, I > can in all honesty say that I feel little to no influence, mainly due > to watching what some would call my actions and intentions and seeing > them as having a beginning long ago, thus merely harmonizing with the > universe. > > Am I buying a dream? Only in the sense of having found that I have > been asleep, I remain asleep in some ways…not as a purchase from > another, but as one aspect of the awakening process. > > Do I think that I have some say in the future..? Only in the sense > that my thoughts do take this form on occasion, like when I call my > congressman and take personal action for the good. However, do note > that this is based on thoughts, not the foundational base of being. > > Most likely unlike others here, I will echo the words of a great > teacher: “Don’t touch the painting.” > > On Jul 8, 1:23 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some point in > > time. Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what are > > we as individuals doing to influence the world as those that we see on > > television. There are those of us who sit idly within our private > > worlds and judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our > > own world, to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes > > our world the right world for each of us. > > The real world is always tomorrow as each of us realize that we are > > soon to become part of the past and that all of what we have fashioned > > for ourselves somehow, someday becomes just a dream. > > One need only to think ahead as a 99 year old person, who stares into > > space reminiscing the past and realizing it was all just a temporary > > ride. > > "What have I done?", "What was I thinking?", "Why did I buy the > > dream?" > > > Have you in some way influenced the world? > > > Are you buying a dream? > > > Do you think that you have some say in the future, your future, the > > future of your progeny, of your planet, of > > your.....................................................? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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