Toothache may be pandemic Slip - I have it too! Oral bacteria are being put forward as a cause of obesity (British Journal of Medicine). As a fatty after rugby I would dearly love to look back at 99 on a world in which this had turned out to be true, with every other lampost the last resting place of diet-faddists strung up on them by long-term sufferers of their advice chewing the very sweet revenge of a slimming antibiotic! I have noticed a personal desire to trade my little and often, broccoli-ridden prescription for a tad of understanding that eating a little makes me hungry. I'm not sure about Orn's 'divine' - other than that he is welcome to it in a very genuine way. I rail against it only a little in terms of the religious distaste suffered in my mouth. We need evaluation against well thought through ideals, or Slip's thought experiment future. The word 'equafinality' springs to mind - many roads to the same place perhaps. I'm not sure a vision of us all sucking soup through straws in 20 years time or so is quite all, though it passed through my chuckling mind. I have tended to look back on my life as a failure, but this might just be its success.
On 9 July, 06:44, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Good luck in your recovery, Slip. Such a little tooth can bring so > much pain. My dentist suggested whiskey and aspirin- another story- > but I found if you heat a small cloth (wash cloth, perhaps) in the > microwave you can fold it into a mini-heating pad if heat gives you > some comfort. Also soups and softer foods for a while. Maybe rx will > help- maybe you took some antibiotics to cut down the infection? I do > so poorly on pills I avoid them but didn't do very well with whiskey > either.//Actually, the pain is the "lost world" and it begins to drag > a person down physically and emotionally- like a wounded tiger? But > the body is such a healer in and of itself- amazing. And having ones > parts in tact is quite an accomplishment. > > On Jul 8, 11:06 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > That was great Orn, such introspection revealed in a extrovertive way > > and good links as well. I think you zeroed in on what I was thinking > > when I formed the op. The contemplative moments in life are or can be > > fleeting and one must take every opportunity to delve into, whenever > > possible, those moments. You have brought out much that was subdued > > in my thoughts and expanded that which was only hinted at, like a seed > > that eventually blossoms. I've been so disconnected lately after oral > > surgery and the ensuing onslaught of the pain management program. I > > feel like I'm reentering a lost world and that is perhaps why I > > engaged a transversal mental modality. Thanks for the expansion. > > > On Jul 8, 10:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Slip, thanks for the wonderful topic. > > > > It is one that I’ve been contemplating a lot the last couple of years > > > with no clear resolution, so what I type here will as a consequence > > > appear incoherent necessarily. > > > > “Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some point in > > > time.” – sd > > > > Yes, all things have a beginning, middle and an end. This is true for > > > what many call ‘life’ too. This I say even though I fully embrace that > > > eternal spark within us all. Sometimes I express our ‘being’ in the > > > world as an aspect of > > > emanation.http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/emanatio.htmhttp://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinu... > > > etc. > > > This even though there are vastly differing understandings of this > > > view. So, when one talks about life, the very nature of being and what > > > we are as human beings needs to be fully addressed and understood. Few > > > do either. Without clarity on this primary point, the rest of our > > > musings, including the notion of influence or doing or personal will > > > are more like comic book stories projected upon a large panorama with > > > no actual life or being to be found. > > > > For the nonce, I’ll rant on some of the components of your post and > > > then continue with my own projection of my best understanding of the > > > topic. > > > > “Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what are we as > > > individuals doing to influence the world as those that we see on > > > television.” – sd > > > > Seen as an analogy, the above is wonderful Slip! And, television is > > > but a commercial venture today with no more illusion to existing for > > > the common good. What is seen there is almost entirely one thing, an > > > attempt at influencing the watcher into purchasing something: from > > > coke to cars, from religion to ratatui, from drugs to democracy, from > > > opinions to being objects of social engineering. (A side plug here for > > > Chomsky’s clarity here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJuqoDvyXOk > > > part 1 of 9) > > > > “There are those of us who sit idly within our private worlds and > > > judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our own world, > > > to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes our world > > > the right world for each of us.” – sd > > > > Quite insightful again Slip and another great analogy…that of the > > > painter. You continue with: “The real world is always tomorrow as each > > > of us realize that we are soon to become part of the past and that all > > > of what we have fashioned for ourselves somehow, someday becomes just > > > a dream.” – sd > > > > As wonderful and clear as this is, and I share similar musings, I must > > > ask, is not it all ‘just a dream’? Even your additional reminder to > > > wake up: “One need only to think ahead as a 99 year old person, who > > > stares into space reminiscing the past and realizing it was all just a > > > temporary ride."What have I done?", "What was I thinking?", "Why did > > > I buy the dream?"” > > > > Is not even this a dream for us? I feel that in many ways it is. To > > > support this view, I’ll quickly recap. Life is transitory. We absorb > > > and reflect what we see. This absorption and reflection is influenced > > > by previous attachments we have acquired ad infinitum! (along with > > > things like hormones, neural chemistry, the seasons, dna etc.) The > > > result is what we call ‘self’…and this self in such a chain of events > > > is but a ripple in the stream of life…using ID’s analogy. Thus, there > > > is the emanation aspect of ‘being’. > > > > This, to me, can only be observed clarified internally. Doing this > > > requires vision that is of what some would call a divine stance… a > > > universal and eternal view. Without tapping into this spark of the > > > eternal creation, our actions are but that of an automaton embracing > > > the noise in our heads as being freedom to act. This sort of self > > > deification, believing in methods others have used on matter and > > > attempting to transfer such methods to the ancient practice of self > > > observation often results in even more comical two dimensional > > > characters. > > > > So, when you ask “Have you in some way influenced the world? Are you > > > buying a dream? Do you think that you have some say in the future, > > > your future, the future of your progeny, of your planet, of > > > your.....................................................? “ Slip, I > > > can in all honesty say that I feel little to no influence, mainly due > > > to watching what some would call my actions and intentions and seeing > > > them as having a beginning long ago, thus merely harmonizing with the > > > universe. > > > > Am I buying a dream? Only in the sense of having found that I have > > > been asleep, I remain asleep in some ways…not as a purchase from > > > another, but as one aspect of the awakening process. > > > > Do I think that I have some say in the future..? Only in the sense > > > that my thoughts do take this form on occasion, like when I call my > > > congressman and take personal action for the good. However, do note > > > that this is based on thoughts, not the foundational base of being. > > > > Most likely unlike others here, I will echo the words of a great > > > teacher: “Don’t touch the painting.” > > > > On Jul 8, 1:23 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some point in > > > > time. Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what are > > > > we as individuals doing to influence the world as those that we see on > > > > television. There are those of us who sit idly within our private > > > > worlds and judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our > > > > own world, to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes > > > > our world the right world for each of us. > > > > The real world is always tomorrow as each of us realize that we are > > > > soon to become part of the past and that all of what we have fashioned > > > > for ourselves somehow, someday becomes just a dream. > > > > One need only to think ahead as a 99 year old person, who stares into > > > > space reminiscing the past and realizing it was all just a temporary > > > > ride. > > > > "What have I done?", "What was I thinking?", "Why did I buy the > > > > dream?" > > > > > Have you in some way influenced the world? > > > > > Are you buying a dream? > > > > > Do you think that you have some say in the future, your future, the > > > > future of your progeny, of your planet, of > > > > your.....................................................?- Hide quoted > > > > text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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