Good point, orn, that wisdom can ebb and flow as emotion or irrational thought enters into the mind. I think we have influenced each other greatly, here in the mind's eye, in some ways, so subtle it is hard to define. But I do appreciate it. I do.
On Jul 9, 3:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Slip, wisdom comes and wisdom goes…;-) I’ve lost more than I have > gained in many ways. > > I was quite the wimp when only 2 at a time were extracted. > > Oh, and glad I groked your tack here…the winds often change abruptly. > See “expansion”!!! ;-) > > And Neil, here I thought it was all a conspiracy set in motion by the > now burgeoning blood glucose meter industry! Oh, perhaps those pushing > corn which is now 70-80% of our diet…corn syrup being a major player > and relatively new to our bodies in its current form. > Over the years, I have found the location of the diet fads you mention > within levels of consciousness. On the whole, they are the projection > of beliefs around the theories and reality being imposed upon others, > mostly by philosopher – charlatans. > > For the record, I have a residual religious distaste in my mouth too > so can fully empathize with you on that. I agree fully with evaluation > too, and if you meant ‘equifinality’, we agree here too. As for the > former, this has been in process for a long time. In current day > formats, I’ve shared, as Molly does on occasion, resources. A few for > the nonce: > > Insight Meditation Weekend for Scientists - WS > September 17 - 20, 2009http://www.dharma.org/ims/retreat_detail.php?id=154 > > Mind & Life Institutehttp://www.mindandlife.org/ > > The Shamatha Projecthttp://www.sbinstitute.com/research_Shamatha.html > > Letter to HHDL and his response about the above Scientific > Projecthttp://www.sbinstitute.com/ISP.html > > On Jul 9, 9:17 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you all for the healing energy put forth. I requested a bridge > > that required two extractions and then there came the impacted wisdom > > on each side, so I opted for the four during the one sitting. I have > > a new appreciation for baby food but in another week or so I should be > > chomping down some good solids. lol > > > On Jul 9, 9:29 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > toothache with achy consilience! There is poetry there! Be well, > > > Slip, and enjoy the expansion in all forms. > > > > On Jul 9, 12:06 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > That was great Orn, such introspection revealed in a extrovertive way > > > > and good links as well. I think you zeroed in on what I was thinking > > > > when I formed the op. The contemplative moments in life are or can be > > > > fleeting and one must take every opportunity to delve into, whenever > > > > possible, those moments. You have brought out much that was subdued > > > > in my thoughts and expanded that which was only hinted at, like a seed > > > > that eventually blossoms. I've been so disconnected lately after oral > > > > surgery and the ensuing onslaught of the pain management program. I > > > > feel like I'm reentering a lost world and that is perhaps why I > > > > engaged a transversal mental modality. Thanks for the expansion. > > > > > On Jul 8, 10:22 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Slip, thanks for the wonderful topic. > > > > > > It is one that I’ve been contemplating a lot the last couple of years > > > > > with no clear resolution, so what I type here will as a consequence > > > > > appear incoherent necessarily. > > > > > > “Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some point in > > > > > time.” – sd > > > > > > Yes, all things have a beginning, middle and an end. This is true for > > > > > what many call ‘life’ too. This I say even though I fully embrace that > > > > > eternal spark within us all. Sometimes I express our ‘being’ in the > > > > > world as an aspect of > > > > > emanation.http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/emanatio.htmhttp://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plotinu... > > > > > etc. > > > > > This even though there are vastly differing understandings of this > > > > > view. So, when one talks about life, the very nature of being and what > > > > > we are as human beings needs to be fully addressed and understood. Few > > > > > do either. Without clarity on this primary point, the rest of our > > > > > musings, including the notion of influence or doing or personal will > > > > > are more like comic book stories projected upon a large panorama with > > > > > no actual life or being to be found. > > > > > > For the nonce, I’ll rant on some of the components of your post and > > > > > then continue with my own projection of my best understanding of the > > > > > topic. > > > > > > “Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what are we as > > > > > individuals doing to influence the world as those that we see on > > > > > television.” – sd > > > > > > Seen as an analogy, the above is wonderful Slip! And, television is > > > > > but a commercial venture today with no more illusion to existing for > > > > > the common good. What is seen there is almost entirely one thing, an > > > > > attempt at influencing the watcher into purchasing something: from > > > > > coke to cars, from religion to ratatui, from drugs to democracy, from > > > > > opinions to being objects of social engineering. (A side plug here for > > > > > Chomsky’s clarity here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJuqoDvyXOk > > > > > part 1 of 9) > > > > > > “There are those of us who sit idly within our private worlds and > > > > > judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our own world, > > > > > to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes our world > > > > > the right world for each of us.” – sd > > > > > > Quite insightful again Slip and another great analogy…that of the > > > > > painter. You continue with: “The real world is always tomorrow as each > > > > > of us realize that we are soon to become part of the past and that all > > > > > of what we have fashioned for ourselves somehow, someday becomes just > > > > > a dream.” – sd > > > > > > As wonderful and clear as this is, and I share similar musings, I must > > > > > ask, is not it all ‘just a dream’? Even your additional reminder to > > > > > wake up: “One need only to think ahead as a 99 year old person, who > > > > > stares into space reminiscing the past and realizing it was all just a > > > > > temporary ride."What have I done?", "What was I thinking?", "Why did > > > > > I buy the dream?"” > > > > > > Is not even this a dream for us? I feel that in many ways it is. To > > > > > support this view, I’ll quickly recap. Life is transitory. We absorb > > > > > and reflect what we see. This absorption and reflection is influenced > > > > > by previous attachments we have acquired ad infinitum! (along with > > > > > things like hormones, neural chemistry, the seasons, dna etc.) The > > > > > result is what we call ‘self’…and this self in such a chain of events > > > > > is but a ripple in the stream of life…using ID’s analogy. Thus, there > > > > > is the emanation aspect of ‘being’. > > > > > > This, to me, can only be observed clarified internally. Doing this > > > > > requires vision that is of what some would call a divine stance… a > > > > > universal and eternal view. Without tapping into this spark of the > > > > > eternal creation, our actions are but that of an automaton embracing > > > > > the noise in our heads as being freedom to act. This sort of self > > > > > deification, believing in methods others have used on matter and > > > > > attempting to transfer such methods to the ancient practice of self > > > > > observation often results in even more comical two dimensional > > > > > characters. > > > > > > So, when you ask “Have you in some way influenced the world? Are you > > > > > buying a dream? Do you think that you have some say in the future, > > > > > your future, the future of your progeny, of your planet, of > > > > > your.....................................................? “ Slip, I > > > > > can in all honesty say that I feel little to no influence, mainly due > > > > > to watching what some would call my actions and intentions and seeing > > > > > them as having a beginning long ago, thus merely harmonizing with the > > > > > universe. > > > > > > Am I buying a dream? Only in the sense of having found that I have > > > > > been asleep, I remain asleep in some ways…not as a purchase from > > > > > another, but as one aspect of the awakening process. > > > > > > Do I think that I have some say in the future..? Only in the sense > > > > > that my thoughts do take this form on occasion, like when I call my > > > > > congressman and take personal action for the good. However, do note > > > > > that this is based on thoughts, not the foundational base of being. > > > > > > Most likely unlike others here, I will echo the words of a great > > > > > teacher: “Don’t touch the painting.” > > > > > > On Jul 8, 1:23 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Each of us has a life, one that begins and will end at some point in > > > > > > time. Many of us sit and watch the world on television, but what are > > > > > > we as individuals doing to influence the world as those that we see > > > > > > on > > > > > > television. There are those of us who sit idly within our private > > > > > > worlds and judge the world around us in order to somehow justify our > > > > > > own world, to make it right for us, to paint that picture that makes > > > > > > our world the right world for each of us. > > > > > > The real world is always tomorrow as each of us realize that we are > > > > > > soon to become part of the past and that all of what we have > > > > > > fashioned > > > > > > for ourselves somehow, someday becomes just a dream. > > > > > > One need only to think ahead as a 99 year old person, who stares > > > > > > into > > > > > > space reminiscing the past and realizing it was all just a temporary > > > > > > ride. > > > > > > "What have I done?", "What was I thinking?", "Why did I buy the > > > > > > dream?" > > > > > > > Have you in some way influenced the world? > > > > > > > Are you buying a dream? > > > > > > > Do you think that you have some say in > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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