Then, I guess you are a straw man off to see the wizard...
On Jul 10, 9:17 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> There is point to be made there I think Molly. Perhaps along with
> what is evil we may have to try to sort out the qeustion of what is
> Love.
>
> I can say with fear of contridiction that I love my wife and my
> children and my parents and my siblings. what of my love for the
> blues though?
>
> Can it be said to be love? If it can then if I declare that my
> feelings for the blues are exaclty the same as my feelings about being
> involved in violence, then I guess we can also call that love and not
> deviant compulsion?
>
> Note here that I do not love violence, in fact the opposite is true I
> quite abhor it.
>
> On 10 July, 13:50, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Is it really love in those cases, Lee, or something more along the
> > lines of deviant compulsion? Both examples would certainly fall
> > outside of the "love is patient, love is kind..." definition.
>
> > I think that love and beauty have much in common, as they move us in
> > spirit, or to higher consciousness.
>
> > On Jul 10, 5:12 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Surly any type of love is a beautiful thing? Umm unless it is
> > > peadophilic love, or love of violence. Okay okay scracth that one,
> > > bad Idea.
>
> > > Yeah Dipu what do you mean?
>
> > > On 10 July, 00:15, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > International communication can be very difficult. Can you please
> > > > explain how your reply to Molly's post is relevant??
>
> > > > You are replying to a post that poses pertinent wording about beauty
> > > > and concept but which excludes any reference to love.
>
> > > > So what do you mean by "any type of love"??
>
> > > > Please explain.
>
> > > > On Jul 9, 2:16 pm, dipu banerjee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > any type of love
>
> > > > > On 7/10/09, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Boring beauty. Quiet a concept. Can beauty be boring?
>
> > > > > > On Jul 9, 9:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Einstein and others drew relativity from obscure experiments to
> > > > > > > glean
> > > > > > > the size of molecules and the movement of pollen grains in
> > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > Beauty tends to fit with experiment and eventual communication
> > > > > > > beyond
> > > > > > > the almost non-verbal beholder's eye. It may well bore most
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > and end up being taught in school chemistry.
>
> > > > > > > On 8 July, 20:23, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Perhaps another case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder.
> > > > > > > > Music of a particular artist may require relativity of taste.
> > > > > > > > Music
> > > > > > > > as an art form, absolutely beautiful. There are a hell of alot
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > people who found Jackson's work beautiful, as evidenced in
> > > > > > > > hundreds of
> > > > > > > > thousands, if not millions of people all over the world dancing
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > singing his music after he died. How many people in your
> > > > > > > > lifetime
> > > > > > > > could evoke such a global response, opinion aside.
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 3:57 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Ian really, the Caravaggio comparison is pertinent but only
> > > > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > context of that era and Jackson in this era. Equally they
> > > > > > > > > crossed
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > line, creating a frenzy of mind boggling spectacle. I must
> > > > > > > > > say that
> > > > > > > > > your comment "Michael Jackson produced a lot of popular
> > > > > > > > > PRODUCT, but
> > > > > > > > > very little art." is indeed a consequence of tunnel vision.
> > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > if you can produce evidence of another artist that issued such
> > > > > > > > > extraordinary talent preceding that of Jackson, I, as well as
> > > > > > > > > others,
> > > > > > > > > would concede to your view. I personally have no interest,
> > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > had,
> > > > > > > > > in the Jackson attraction. I am only motivated by your lack
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > recognition of the innovation, regardless of the underlying
> > > > > > > > > product
> > > > > > > > > value, of such motivation in artistic influence as well as
> > > > > > > > > the perks
> > > > > > > > > within the industry (for the sharks). Art is something of a
> > > > > > > > > misnomer
> > > > > > > > > in that people will and are paying thousands of dollars for
> > > > > > > > > contemporary "Graffiti" art, which for me as an artist styled
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > Renaissance period art view as pure "garbage". So in that
> > > > > > > > > sense,
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > view of Micheal Jackson as less than an art form is
> > > > > > > > > reflective of
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > lack of understanding what "art" is all about.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2:19 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/7 frantheman <[email protected]>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Behind all the weirdness (perhaps even perversion) and
> > > > > > > > > > > the disgusting commercial hype surrounding his death,
> > > > > > > > > > > that was
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > Michael Jackson was at his best. There have been other
> > > > > > > > > > > similar
> > > > > > > > > > > artistic wonders throughout history - Caravaggio comes to
> > > > > > > > > > > mind.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Did you just compare Michael Jackson to Caravaggio? :)
>
> > > > > > > > > > Whilst I think there is much artistic merit in music, I
> > > > > > > > > > think it is
> > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > always missing from the mainstream. Michael Jackson
> > > > > > > > > > produced a lot
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > popular PRODUCT, but very little art. He also understood,
> > > > > > > > > > for a
> > > > > > time, how to
> > > > > > > > > > market that product as good as anyone. This was made
> > > > > > > > > > remarkably
> > > > > > easier by
> > > > > > > > > > the team of people around him. The album 'Thriller', whilst
> > > > > > > > > > a good
> > > > > > album,
> > > > > > > > > > initially looked to have only been a minor hit for him. The
> > > > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > single,
> > > > > > > > > > 'The Girl Is Mine', did okay, but didn't set the world on
> > > > > > > > > > fire.
> > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > over the next three years Jackson marketed the hell out of
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > album. He
> > > > > > > > > > bled it dry, releasing nine songs from it. And of course,
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > $500,000
> > > > > > > > > > video (which he did not choreograph, by the way) was a
> > > > > > > > > > stroke of
> > > > > > marketing
> > > > > > > > > > genius.
>
> > > > > > > > > > To call Michael Jackson an artist deeply devalues the word.
> > > > > > > > > > I don't
> > > > > > just say
> > > > > > > > > > that because I am a music snob (I freely admit I am and
> > > > > > > > > > that it is
> > > > > > a factor
> > > > > > > > > > here). I think the roles of the musician and artist are
> > > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > always in a
> > > > > > > > > > state of conflict; such is the nature of a creative person
> > > > > > > > > > peddling
> > > > > > > > > > commodities (CDs, etc) and being subjected to commercial
> > > > > > > > > > pressure.
> > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > I think the continuing decline of the music industry's
> > > > > > > > > > business
> > > > > > model --
> > > > > > > > > > coupled with the reduced cost of home recording -- is a
> > > > > > > > > > great thing
> > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > > > "art" in music to take a more prominent role.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text -
>
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