Hah Hah! Man that happens to me quite a lot here. You have the general gist of what I was saying though. Really I'm trying to pin down what we mean when we say love.
Is love for the family the same as love for the blues? I mean I can certianly say 'man I love the blues' and not many people would not understand what I mean when I say it, is it love though or am I simply missusing the word? On 15 July, 12:25, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > I just can't seem to follow your logic. I understand that it is > linear - love for family = love for blues= love for violence. I think > that love is more dimensional, and those would not equate. I > especially question "love" for violence, and think it is probably > confusing love with some other emotion or compulsion. Ultimately, the > sage loves all of life and love is all there is. From that point of > view, the same may be said of the beautiful. But upon closer > examination, we delineate. > > On Jul 15, 6:17 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Well now Molly, I do not belive I offered a Straw man at all there? > > > My comparison is there to try and pin down what we mean when we say > > love. I offered my love for my family as the base and said that if it > > could be said that my feelings for my family are the same as my > > feelings for the blues, then it can be said that I love the blues. > > > Okay sorta strawmanish I admit but only if it can be shown that my > > feelings for the blues are not like my feelings for my family. > > > I fail to see how my abohorance for violence means I cannot compare > > love and hate though? > > > On 10 July, 22:01, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Your pondering, you made up a fantasy situation to base a comparison > > > that cannot therefore be real. Straw man argument. If you do not > > > "love" violence, you cannot compare the two. > > > > On Jul 10, 9:53 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > I think I have only one word my dearest Molly that can sum up my > > > > thoughts on this post of your. > > > > > Huh? > > > > > On 10 July, 14:32, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Then, I guess you are a straw man off to see the wizard... > > > > > > On Jul 10, 9:17 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > There is point to be made there I think Molly. Perhaps along with > > > > > > what is evil we may have to try to sort out the qeustion of what is > > > > > > Love. > > > > > > > I can say with fear of contridiction that I love my wife and my > > > > > > children and my parents and my siblings. what of my love for the > > > > > > blues though? > > > > > > > Can it be said to be love? If it can then if I declare that my > > > > > > feelings for the blues are exaclty the same as my feelings about > > > > > > being > > > > > > involved in violence, then I guess we can also call that love and > > > > > > not > > > > > > deviant compulsion? > > > > > > > Note here that I do not love violence, in fact the opposite is true > > > > > > I > > > > > > quite abhor it. > > > > > > > On 10 July, 13:50, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Is it really love in those cases, Lee, or something more along the > > > > > > > lines of deviant compulsion? Both examples would certainly fall > > > > > > > outside of the "love is patient, love is kind..." definition. > > > > > > > > I think that love and beauty have much in common, as they move us > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > spirit, or to higher consciousness. > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 5:12 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Surly any type of love is a beautiful thing? Umm unless it is > > > > > > > > peadophilic love, or love of violence. Okay okay scracth that > > > > > > > > one, > > > > > > > > bad Idea. > > > > > > > > > Yeah Dipu what do you mean? > > > > > > > > > On 10 July, 00:15, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > International communication can be very difficult. Can you > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > explain how your reply to Molly's post is relevant?? > > > > > > > > > > You are replying to a post that poses pertinent wording about > > > > > > > > > beauty > > > > > > > > > and concept but which excludes any reference to love. > > > > > > > > > > So what do you mean by "any type of love"?? > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 2:16 pm, dipu banerjee <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > any type of love > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/10/09, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Boring beauty. Quiet a concept. Can beauty be boring? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 9:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein and others drew relativity from obscure > > > > > > > > > > > > experiments to glean > > > > > > > > > > > > the size of molecules and the movement of pollen grains > > > > > > > > > > > > in solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty tends to fit with experiment and eventual > > > > > > > > > > > > communication beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > the almost non-verbal beholder's eye. It may well bore > > > > > > > > > > > > most people > > > > > > > > > > > > and end up being taught in school chemistry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 July, 20:23, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps another case of beauty being in the eye of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the beholder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Music of a particular artist may require relativity > > > > > > > > > > > > > of taste. Music > > > > > > > > > > > > > as an art form, absolutely beautiful. There are a > > > > > > > > > > > > > hell of alot of > > > > > > > > > > > > > people who found Jackson's work beautiful, as > > > > > > > > > > > > > evidenced in hundreds of > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands, if not millions of people all over the > > > > > > > > > > > > > world dancing and > > > > > > > > > > > > > singing his music after he died. How many people in > > > > > > > > > > > > > your lifetime > > > > > > > > > > > > > could evoke such a global response, opinion aside. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 3:57 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian really, the Caravaggio comparison is pertinent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context of that era and Jackson in this era. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equally they crossed > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line, creating a frenzy of mind boggling spectacle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must say that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your comment "Michael Jackson produced a lot of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > popular PRODUCT, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very little art." is indeed a consequence of tunnel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vision. Of > > > > > > > > > > > course > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you can produce evidence of another artist that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issued such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extraordinary talent preceding that of Jackson, I, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would concede to your view. I personally have no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interest, never > > > > > > > > > > > had, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Jackson attraction. I am only motivated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your lack of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recognition of the innovation, regardless of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underlying product > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value, of such motivation in artistic influence as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as the perks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within the industry (for the sharks). Art is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something of a misnomer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that people will and are paying thousands of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollars for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contemporary "Graffiti" art, which for me as an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > artist styled in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renaissance period art view as pure "garbage". So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that sense, > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > view of Micheal Jackson as less than an art form is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reflective of > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lack of understanding what "art" is all about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2:19 am, Ian Pollard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/7 frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behind all the weirdness (perhaps even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perversion) and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the disgusting commercial hype surrounding his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, that was > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Jackson was at his best. There have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been other similar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > artistic wonders throughout history - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Caravaggio comes to mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you just compare Michael Jackson to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Caravaggio? :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whilst I think there is much artistic merit in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, I think it is > > > > > > > > > > > almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always missing from the mainstream. Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jackson produced a lot > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > popular PRODUCT, but very little art. He also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understood, for a > > > > > > > > > > > time, how to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > market that product as good as anyone. This was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made remarkably > > > > > > > > > > > easier by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the team of people around him. The album > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Thriller', whilst a good > > > > > > > > > > > album, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initially looked to have only been a minor hit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for him. The first > > > > > > > > > > > single, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'The Girl Is Mine', did okay, but didn't set the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world on fire. > > > > > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the next three years Jackson marketed the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hell out of that > > > > > > > > > > > album. He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bled it dry, releasing nine songs from it. And of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course, that > > > > > > > > > > > $500,000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > video (which he did not choreograph, by the way) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was a stroke of > > > > > > > > > > > marketing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > genius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To call Michael Jackson an artist deeply devalues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the word. I don't > > > > > > > > > > > just say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that because I am a music snob (I freely admit I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am and that it is > > > > > > > > > > > a factor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here). I think the roles of the musician and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > artist are almost > > > > > > > > > > > always in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of conflict; such is the nature of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creative person peddling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commodities (CDs, etc) and being subjected to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial pressure. > > > > > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the continuing decline of the music > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > industry's business > > > > > > > > > > > model -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coupled with the reduced cost of home > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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