any type of love On 7/10/09, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Boring beauty. Quiet a concept. Can beauty be boring? > > On Jul 9, 9:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Einstein and others drew relativity from obscure experiments to glean > > the size of molecules and the movement of pollen grains in solution. > > Beauty tends to fit with experiment and eventual communication beyond > > the almost non-verbal beholder's eye. It may well bore most people > > and end up being taught in school chemistry. > > > > On 8 July, 20:23, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Perhaps another case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder. > > > Music of a particular artist may require relativity of taste. Music > > > as an art form, absolutely beautiful. There are a hell of alot of > > > people who found Jackson's work beautiful, as evidenced in hundreds of > > > thousands, if not millions of people all over the world dancing and > > > singing his music after he died. How many people in your lifetime > > > could evoke such a global response, opinion aside. > > > > > On Jul 8, 3:57 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Ian really, the Caravaggio comparison is pertinent but only in the > > > > context of that era and Jackson in this era. Equally they crossed > the > > > > line, creating a frenzy of mind boggling spectacle. I must say that > > > > your comment "Michael Jackson produced a lot of popular PRODUCT, but > > > > very little art." is indeed a consequence of tunnel vision. Of > course > > > > if you can produce evidence of another artist that issued such > > > > extraordinary talent preceding that of Jackson, I, as well as others, > > > > would concede to your view. I personally have no interest, never > had, > > > > in the Jackson attraction. I am only motivated by your lack of > > > > recognition of the innovation, regardless of the underlying product > > > > value, of such motivation in artistic influence as well as the perks > > > > within the industry (for the sharks). Art is something of a misnomer > > > > in that people will and are paying thousands of dollars for > > > > contemporary "Graffiti" art, which for me as an artist styled in > > > > Renaissance period art view as pure "garbage". So in that sense, > your > > > > view of Micheal Jackson as less than an art form is reflective of > your > > > > lack of understanding what "art" is all about. > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2:19 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > 2009/7/7 frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Behind all the weirdness (perhaps even perversion) and > > > > > > the disgusting commercial hype surrounding his death, that was > what > > > > > > Michael Jackson was at his best. There have been other similar > > > > > > artistic wonders throughout history - Caravaggio comes to mind. > > > > > > > Did you just compare Michael Jackson to Caravaggio? :) > > > > > > > Whilst I think there is much artistic merit in music, I think it is > almost > > > > > always missing from the mainstream. Michael Jackson produced a lot > of > > > > > popular PRODUCT, but very little art. He also understood, for a > time, how to > > > > > market that product as good as anyone. This was made remarkably > easier by > > > > > the team of people around him. The album 'Thriller', whilst a good > album, > > > > > initially looked to have only been a minor hit for him. The first > single, > > > > > 'The Girl Is Mine', did okay, but didn't set the world on fire. > However, > > > > > over the next three years Jackson marketed the hell out of that > album. He > > > > > bled it dry, releasing nine songs from it. And of course, that > $500,000 > > > > > video (which he did not choreograph, by the way) was a stroke of > marketing > > > > > genius. > > > > > > > To call Michael Jackson an artist deeply devalues the word. I don't > just say > > > > > that because I am a music snob (I freely admit I am and that it is > a factor > > > > > here). I think the roles of the musician and artist are almost > always in a > > > > > state of conflict; such is the nature of a creative person peddling > > > > > commodities (CDs, etc) and being subjected to commercial pressure. > However, > > > > > I think the continuing decline of the music industry's business > model -- > > > > > coupled with the reduced cost of home recording -- is a great thing > for the > > > > > "art" in music to take a more prominent role. > > > > > > > Ian > > >
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