Your pondering, you made up a fantasy situation to base a comparison that cannot therefore be real. Straw man argument. If you do not "love" violence, you cannot compare the two.
On Jul 10, 9:53 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > I think I have only one word my dearest Molly that can sum up my > thoughts on this post of your. > > Huh? > > On 10 July, 14:32, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Then, I guess you are a straw man off to see the wizard... > > > On Jul 10, 9:17 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > There is point to be made there I think Molly. Perhaps along with > > > what is evil we may have to try to sort out the qeustion of what is > > > Love. > > > > I can say with fear of contridiction that I love my wife and my > > > children and my parents and my siblings. what of my love for the > > > blues though? > > > > Can it be said to be love? If it can then if I declare that my > > > feelings for the blues are exaclty the same as my feelings about being > > > involved in violence, then I guess we can also call that love and not > > > deviant compulsion? > > > > Note here that I do not love violence, in fact the opposite is true I > > > quite abhor it. > > > > On 10 July, 13:50, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Is it really love in those cases, Lee, or something more along the > > > > lines of deviant compulsion? Both examples would certainly fall > > > > outside of the "love is patient, love is kind..." definition. > > > > > I think that love and beauty have much in common, as they move us in > > > > spirit, or to higher consciousness. > > > > > On Jul 10, 5:12 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Surly any type of love is a beautiful thing? Umm unless it is > > > > > peadophilic love, or love of violence. Okay okay scracth that one, > > > > > bad Idea. > > > > > > Yeah Dipu what do you mean? > > > > > > On 10 July, 00:15, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > International communication can be very difficult. Can you please > > > > > > explain how your reply to Molly's post is relevant?? > > > > > > > You are replying to a post that poses pertinent wording about beauty > > > > > > and concept but which excludes any reference to love. > > > > > > > So what do you mean by "any type of love"?? > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 2:16 pm, dipu banerjee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > any type of love > > > > > > > > On 7/10/09, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Boring beauty. Quiet a concept. Can beauty be boring? > > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 9:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Einstein and others drew relativity from obscure experiments > > > > > > > > > to glean > > > > > > > > > the size of molecules and the movement of pollen grains in > > > > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > Beauty tends to fit with experiment and eventual > > > > > > > > > communication beyond > > > > > > > > > the almost non-verbal beholder's eye. It may well bore most > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > and end up being taught in school chemistry. > > > > > > > > > > On 8 July, 20:23, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps another case of beauty being in the eye of the > > > > > > > > > > beholder. > > > > > > > > > > Music of a particular artist may require relativity of > > > > > > > > > > taste. Music > > > > > > > > > > as an art form, absolutely beautiful. There are a hell of > > > > > > > > > > alot of > > > > > > > > > > people who found Jackson's work beautiful, as evidenced in > > > > > > > > > > hundreds of > > > > > > > > > > thousands, if not millions of people all over the world > > > > > > > > > > dancing and > > > > > > > > > > singing his music after he died. How many people in your > > > > > > > > > > lifetime > > > > > > > > > > could evoke such a global response, opinion aside. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 3:57 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian really, the Caravaggio comparison is pertinent but > > > > > > > > > > > only in the > > > > > > > > > > > context of that era and Jackson in this era. Equally > > > > > > > > > > > they crossed > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > line, creating a frenzy of mind boggling spectacle. I > > > > > > > > > > > must say that > > > > > > > > > > > your comment "Michael Jackson produced a lot of popular > > > > > > > > > > > PRODUCT, but > > > > > > > > > > > very little art." is indeed a consequence of tunnel > > > > > > > > > > > vision. Of > > > > > > > > course > > > > > > > > > > > if you can produce evidence of another artist that issued > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > extraordinary talent preceding that of Jackson, I, as > > > > > > > > > > > well as others, > > > > > > > > > > > would concede to your view. I personally have no > > > > > > > > > > > interest, never > > > > > > > > had, > > > > > > > > > > > in the Jackson attraction. I am only motivated by your > > > > > > > > > > > lack of > > > > > > > > > > > recognition of the innovation, regardless of the > > > > > > > > > > > underlying product > > > > > > > > > > > value, of such motivation in artistic influence as well > > > > > > > > > > > as the perks > > > > > > > > > > > within the industry (for the sharks). Art is something > > > > > > > > > > > of a misnomer > > > > > > > > > > > in that people will and are paying thousands of dollars > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > contemporary "Graffiti" art, which for me as an artist > > > > > > > > > > > styled in > > > > > > > > > > > Renaissance period art view as pure "garbage". So in > > > > > > > > > > > that sense, > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > view of Micheal Jackson as less than an art form is > > > > > > > > > > > reflective of > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > lack of understanding what "art" is all about. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2:19 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/7 frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behind all the weirdness (perhaps even perversion) and > > > > > > > > > > > > > the disgusting commercial hype surrounding his death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > that was > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Jackson was at his best. There have been > > > > > > > > > > > > > other similar > > > > > > > > > > > > > artistic wonders throughout history - Caravaggio > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you just compare Michael Jackson to Caravaggio? :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whilst I think there is much artistic merit in music, I > > > > > > > > > > > > think it is > > > > > > > > almost > > > > > > > > > > > > always missing from the mainstream. Michael Jackson > > > > > > > > > > > > produced a lot > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > popular PRODUCT, but very little art. He also > > > > > > > > > > > > understood, for a > > > > > > > > time, how to > > > > > > > > > > > > market that product as good as anyone. This was made > > > > > > > > > > > > remarkably > > > > > > > > easier by > > > > > > > > > > > > the team of people around him. The album 'Thriller', > > > > > > > > > > > > whilst a good > > > > > > > > album, > > > > > > > > > > > > initially looked to have only been a minor hit for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first > > > > > > > > single, > > > > > > > > > > > > 'The Girl Is Mine', did okay, but didn't set the world > > > > > > > > > > > > on fire. > > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > > > > > over the next three years Jackson marketed the hell out > > > > > > > > > > > > of that > > > > > > > > album. He > > > > > > > > > > > > bled it dry, releasing nine songs from it. And of > > > > > > > > > > > > course, that > > > > > > > > $500,000 > > > > > > > > > > > > video (which he did not choreograph, by the way) was a > > > > > > > > > > > > stroke of > > > > > > > > marketing > > > > > > > > > > > > genius. > > > > > > > > > > > > > To call Michael Jackson an artist deeply devalues the > > > > > > > > > > > > word. I don't > > > > > > > > just say > > > > > > > > > > > > that because I am a music snob (I freely admit I am and > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is > > > > > > > > a factor > > > > > > > > > > > > here). I think the roles of the musician and artist are > > > > > > > > > > > > almost > > > > > > > > always in a > > > > > > > > > > > > state of conflict; such is the nature of a creative > > > > > > > > > > > > person peddling > > > > > > > > > > > > commodities (CDs, etc) and being subjected to > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial pressure. > > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the continuing decline of the music industry's > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > model -- > > > > > > > > > > > > coupled with the reduced cost of home recording -- is a > > > > > > > > > > > > great thing > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > > > "art" in music to take a more prominent role. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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