love means peace, true love always avoid violence... On 7/10/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Surly any type of love is a beautiful thing? Umm unless it is > peadophilic love, or love of violence. Okay okay scracth that one, > bad Idea. > > Yeah Dipu what do you mean? > > On 10 July, 00:15, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > International communication can be very difficult. Can you please > > explain how your reply to Molly's post is relevant?? > > > > You are replying to a post that poses pertinent wording about beauty > > and concept but which excludes any reference to love. > > > > So what do you mean by "any type of love"?? > > > > Please explain. > > > > On Jul 9, 2:16 pm, dipu banerjee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > any type of love > > > > > On 7/10/09, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Boring beauty. Quiet a concept. Can beauty be boring? > > > > > > On Jul 9, 9:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Einstein and others drew relativity from obscure experiments to > glean > > > > > the size of molecules and the movement of pollen grains in > solution. > > > > > Beauty tends to fit with experiment and eventual communication > beyond > > > > > the almost non-verbal beholder's eye. It may well bore most people > > > > > and end up being taught in school chemistry. > > > > > > > On 8 July, 20:23, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Perhaps another case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder. > > > > > > Music of a particular artist may require relativity of > taste. Music > > > > > > as an art form, absolutely beautiful. There are a hell of alot > of > > > > > > people who found Jackson's work beautiful, as evidenced in > hundreds of > > > > > > thousands, if not millions of people all over the world dancing > and > > > > > > singing his music after he died. How many people in your > lifetime > > > > > > could evoke such a global response, opinion aside. > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 3:57 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ian really, the Caravaggio comparison is pertinent but only in > the > > > > > > > context of that era and Jackson in this era. Equally they > crossed > > > > the > > > > > > > line, creating a frenzy of mind boggling spectacle. I must say > that > > > > > > > your comment "Michael Jackson produced a lot of popular > PRODUCT, but > > > > > > > very little art." is indeed a consequence of tunnel vision. Of > > > > course > > > > > > > if you can produce evidence of another artist that issued such > > > > > > > extraordinary talent preceding that of Jackson, I, as well as > others, > > > > > > > would concede to your view. I personally have no interest, > never > > > > had, > > > > > > > in the Jackson attraction. I am only motivated by your lack of > > > > > > > recognition of the innovation, regardless of the underlying > product > > > > > > > value, of such motivation in artistic influence as well as the > perks > > > > > > > within the industry (for the sharks). Art is something of a > misnomer > > > > > > > in that people will and are paying thousands of dollars for > > > > > > > contemporary "Graffiti" art, which for me as an artist styled > in > > > > > > > Renaissance period art view as pure "garbage". So in that > sense, > > > > your > > > > > > > view of Micheal Jackson as less than an art form is reflective > of > > > > your > > > > > > > lack of understanding what "art" is all about. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2:19 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/7 frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > Behind all the weirdness (perhaps even perversion) and > > > > > > > > > the disgusting commercial hype surrounding his death, that > was > > > > what > > > > > > > > > Michael Jackson was at his best. There have been other > similar > > > > > > > > > artistic wonders throughout history - Caravaggio comes to > mind. > > > > > > > > > > Did you just compare Michael Jackson to Caravaggio? :) > > > > > > > > > > Whilst I think there is much artistic merit in music, I think > it is > > > > almost > > > > > > > > always missing from the mainstream. Michael Jackson produced > a lot > > > > of > > > > > > > > popular PRODUCT, but very little art. He also understood, for > a > > > > time, how to > > > > > > > > market that product as good as anyone. This was made > remarkably > > > > easier by > > > > > > > > the team of people around him. The album 'Thriller', whilst a > good > > > > album, > > > > > > > > initially looked to have only been a minor hit for him. The > first > > > > single, > > > > > > > > 'The Girl Is Mine', did okay, but didn't set the world on > fire. > > > > However, > > > > > > > > over the next three years Jackson marketed the hell out of > that > > > > album. He > > > > > > > > bled it dry, releasing nine songs from it. And of course, > that > > > > $500,000 > > > > > > > > video (which he did not choreograph, by the way) was a stroke > of > > > > marketing > > > > > > > > genius. > > > > > > > > > > To call Michael Jackson an artist deeply devalues the word. I > don't > > > > just say > > > > > > > > that because I am a music snob (I freely admit I am and that > it is > > > > a factor > > > > > > > > here). I think the roles of the musician and artist are > almost > > > > always in a > > > > > > > > state of conflict; such is the nature of a creative person > peddling > > > > > > > > commodities (CDs, etc) and being subjected to commercial > pressure. > > > > However, > > > > > > > > I think the continuing decline of the music industry's > business > > > > model -- > > > > > > > > coupled with the reduced cost of home recording -- is a great > thing > > > > for the > > > > > > > > "art" in music to take a more prominent role. > > > > > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > >
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