There is always the harsh truth that some people hate those who live the life, set the example and present the change to beauty. Hate groups thrive on it. Unfortunately there are those who are not capable of love and beauty. It's easy to see it all as a wonderful conception from one's personal view but in reality and on a global scale the reality is contrary. In some sense beauty is still being fed to the lions.
Living in one's own little word of beauty can be a beautiful fiction. On Jul 13, 9:13 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with Vam, we have to first live it. It transforms the world > around us because by living it, others around us are captivated. I > have seen corporate cultures drastically change under a new leader > (for better and worse.) If we can live like Vam, the influence > spreads like the ripples of water created by the entrance of a stone. > On and on. Over time, collectively we improve. Expressions like > Neil's can be read and followed, like the stone in water also. > Sometimes, we keep the thick of it around us, the chaos and clashing > of duality by only seeing society as in need of a good straightening, > and not living the possibility of more... > > On Jul 13, 6:21 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > " ... the real stuff might well lie in straightening our society > > out." > > > Know what, Neil, let me share with you my most personal of all > > beliefs : If I can restore dignity, joy and fearlessness in my > > thoughts, words and actions, and retain the goodwill and warmth for > > people around me in my heart, and live my life in good faith ... and, > > even if I were to succeed at doing so partially ... I would have > > offered some " real stuff " to this society, for it to remember what > > and how easy it is to lead a straight life, and for it to recall the > > great simplicity and happiness we all may once again experience in > > living this wondrous existence ! > > > That 's perhaps the only romance left in me. And, I 'm glad it 's > > there in my wakeful awareness. It keeps me sane, directed and happy. > > > On Jul 13, 12:35 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Like Vam I think we have to be able to see beauty in the ordinary. > > > There was once something rather beautiful to me on resting on a spade > > > after some hard work, sharing a tab with a mate, perhaps rather > > > ironically pleased with our efforts and the desultory pay that went > > > off home to Mum with enough left over for a few pints in the pub. > > > England's "magnificent" draw yesterday with our hapless last wicket > > > batters lasting half-an-hour against the might of Australia after a > > > day of probably the most stupid shots ever played by better players > > > had a certain beauty. Others might wonder what the five days of > > > boredom were about, until the always winning Aussies saw there efforts > > > rendered futile, dashed on the rocks of Burnley and Indian (Monty > > > Panesar Vam) pride as the clock ticked down in the depths of Wales. > > > Neither of our guys knew one end of the bat from the other and a Welsh > > > poet was suggesting the stumps be burned so that the finest dust of > > > England would remain forever in Wales. And then the clock ticked past > > > a heady triumph to sour Australian tears and the victory of an English > > > draw. > > > > I suspect beauty is too often restricted to our triumphs over > > > adversity and the real stuff might well lie in straightening our > > > society out. > > > > On 13 July, 03:48, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Molly, I 've indicated that beauty is what it does to me, in the > > > > several domains within me. Let me list a couple of instances : > > > > > I see beauty when I see a child leading his parent on the road, finger > > > > in palm, joy and cheer in his eyes. Or, in the early morning, when the > > > > husband is pulling at his bycycle with wife seated on the carrier seat > > > > behind him, both off to work, to deal with the demands of the day, for > > > > themselves and their children. Or, in the attitude : I want nothing > > > > from you, what can I do for you ? Or, when a person walks away with > > > > light, hope and self - belief in his heart, after a conversing with a > > > > ' wise ' one. Or, when I ' see ' an Einstein arrive at an integrating > > > > discovery, which includes and explains the details ... > > > > > The ' sight ' unclouded by ego - want - emotions is beautiful ! > > > > > On Jul 12, 11:19 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I can agree that what we call the beauty industry is merely > > > > > merchandising to enhance appearance, and has little to do with real > > > > > beauty. How do we recognize true beauty when we see it? > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:02 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > What entertains many can be ruthlessly boring, and the beauty > > > > > > industry > > > > > > certainly conforms with ruthlessness. Scientists are rather prone > > > > > > to > > > > > > bemoan those waiting for the blow job from god so routinely expected > > > > > > to underlie their work in elegance, beauty and perfect form. The > > > > > > beautiful moment is not boring. > > > > > > > On 11 July, 03:35, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I believe the answer is in your "deviant compulsion". It can be > > > > > > > compelled by the force that is Love, but it is deviated or twisted > > > > > > > from the "patient and kind" that we recognize as the way of Love. > > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 7:50 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is it really love in those cases, Lee, or something more along > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > lines of deviant compulsion? Both examples would certainly fall > > > > > > > > outside of the "love is patient, love is kind..." definition. > > > > > > > > > I think that love and beauty have much in common, as they move > > > > > > > > us in > > > > > > > > spirit, or to higher consciousness. > > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 5:12 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Surly any type of love is a beautiful thing? Umm unless it is > > > > > > > > > peadophilic love, or love of violence. Okay okay scracth > > > > > > > > > that one, > > > > > > > > > bad Idea. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah Dipu what do you mean? > > > > > > > > > > On 10 July, 00:15, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > International communication can be very difficult. Can you > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > explain how your reply to Molly's post is relevant?? > > > > > > > > > > > You are replying to a post that poses pertinent wording > > > > > > > > > > about beauty > > > > > > > > > > and concept but which excludes any reference to love. > > > > > > > > > > > So what do you mean by "any type of love"?? > > > > > > > > > > > Please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 2:16 pm, dipu banerjee <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > any type of love > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/10/09, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boring beauty. Quiet a concept. Can beauty be boring? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 9:03 am, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein and others drew relativity from obscure > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiments to glean > > > > > > > > > > > > > the size of molecules and the movement of pollen > > > > > > > > > > > > > grains in solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty tends to fit with experiment and eventual > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > > the almost non-verbal beholder's eye. It may well > > > > > > > > > > > > > bore most people > > > > > > > > > > > > > and end up being taught in school chemistry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 July, 20:23, Molly Brogan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps another case of beauty being in the eye of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the beholder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Music of a particular artist may require relativity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of taste. Music > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as an art form, absolutely beautiful. There are a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hell of alot of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people who found Jackson's work beautiful, as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evidenced in hundreds of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands, if not millions of people all over the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world dancing and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > singing his music after he died. How many people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in your lifetime > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could evoke such a global response, opinion aside. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 3:57 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian really, the Caravaggio comparison is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pertinent but only in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context of that era and Jackson in this era. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equally they crossed > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > line, creating a frenzy of mind boggling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spectacle. I must say that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your comment "Michael Jackson produced a lot of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > popular PRODUCT, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very little art." is indeed a consequence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tunnel vision. Of > > > > > > > > > > > > course > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you can produce evidence of another artist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that issued such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extraordinary talent preceding that of Jackson, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I, as well as others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would concede to your view. I personally have no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interest, never > > > > > > > > > > > > had, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Jackson attraction. I am only motivated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by your lack of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recognition of the innovation, regardless of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underlying product > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value, of such motivation in artistic influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as the perks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within the industry (for the sharks). Art is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something of a misnomer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that people will and are paying thousands of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollars for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contemporary "Graffiti" art, which for me as an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > artist styled in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renaissance period art view as pure "garbage". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in that sense, > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > view of Micheal Jackson as less than an art form > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is reflective of > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lack of understanding what "art" is all about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2:19 am, Ian Pollard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/7 frantheman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behind all the weirdness (perhaps even > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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