Observer, I have answered you many times...Whats the matter, don`t you
like the answer? Does it scare you a little?

On Jul 30, 10:59 pm, Observer <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 5:19 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > We had Molly's wonderful post gone chaotic concerning control and
> > since then I thought of other aspects of control and being in control
> > and whether or not we are supposed to be in control.
> > I hear evangelists speak of turning your life over to God, letting the
> > Holy Spirit guide you.  I hear of following rules and regulations,
> > laws and dictum of governing bodies.  I ask myself, where is there any
> > room left for us to have any control?
>
> Observer
>
> Have you ever asked on of these evangelistic types to prove that such
> as a holey spirit actually exists?
> Or that such as any spirit exists, or to prove that a soul exists? Or
> to prove that any of the metaphysical claims of the bible are true or
> that the bible is actually the inspired word of a god?
>
> If you have not, then Why not? For anything taught with such certainty
> there must exist some scientifically verifiable substantiating data.
> No? And if not what is the temptation to believe all about.
>
> I ask the following of all of those who say the believe.
>
> Please provide scientifically verifiable substantiating data for
> either the EXISTENCE of or any ACT of any god.
>
> Strangely I have been repeating this for years and no christian, jew
> of muslim has ever attempted a response, not even the priests and
> preachers.
>
> Oh well.
>
> > This goes beyond the Molly post as being self and the awareness of
> > decision that was made prior.  Are we not mostly controlled beings?
> > Isn't control limited to our personal space and even then limited to
> > no one knowing about that space?  Isn't it true, what has been said,
> > that the only privacy we have is that which exists in our minds?  But
> > then again, when we talk about control, spiritual control, external
> > control isn't that also a matter that is questionable?
>
> Of all the thoughts that control us most it is the fictions we produce
> in and of our own minds that are the most insidious. By that I mean,
> we can not ingest or in any way meld the outside world with our minds.
> We are forced to produce mental models of what we think we perceive
> through our senses.
>
> It is however a fact that all that we have believe we perceived
> previously and all of the extrapolations made from those that have
> become our habituated fictions which form the lenses of our mind and
> alter all incoming information to see that they are easily stored and
> are supported by our previous fictions.
>
> We even have habituated fictions for the automatic rejection of new
> data that we find disturbing.
>
> I have said that these fictions are the most insidious and yet they
> are or can be the most liberating of our experiences. Once we realize
> that every thing we believe is a fiction we free our selves to alter
> them and to thereby make them much more useful on our never ending
> trip from greater to lesser ignorance.
>
> The key to such of course is an understating of the principles of
> scientific method which provide the only sure guide to useful
> information.
>
> Here is to freedom of the mind, to the liberation of humanity through
> education and the eradication of ignorance, superstition, and other
> poorly thought out fictions which for thousands of years have
> enslaved, terrorized, and extorted from us all of what we could have
> been had we been left in peace to maturate.
> Here is to the advancement of science which heals the sick, which can
> produce a world of abundance to be shared and from which we can even
> learn to live in peace through the newly reorganized social sciences.
>
> Here is to humanity!
>
> Regards
>
> Psychonomist

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