Observer, TheMac, I noticed you both seem to have wandered over here from "Atheism vs. Christianity." You're both very welcome. Let me just invite you to read through a couple of threads here to get a feel for how we do things here on ME, and request you both to carry out any flame wars you feel the urge to have on "A. vs. C." We do carry out hard discussions here, we don't do insults or ad hominems.
I'm not a moderator, just an ordinary member describing the way I see things. Looking forward to your constructive contributions. Francis On 31 Jul., 23:57, TheMac37 <[email protected]> wrote: > Observer, I have answered you many times...Whats the matter, don`t you > like the answer? Does it scare you a little? > > On Jul 30, 10:59 pm, Observer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 26, 5:19 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > We had Molly's wonderful post gone chaotic concerning control and > > > since then I thought of other aspects of control and being in control > > > and whether or not we are supposed to be in control. > > > I hear evangelists speak of turning your life over to God, letting the > > > Holy Spirit guide you. I hear of following rules and regulations, > > > laws and dictum of governing bodies. I ask myself, where is there any > > > room left for us to have any control? > > > Observer > > > Have you ever asked on of these evangelistic types to prove that such > > as a holey spirit actually exists? > > Or that such as any spirit exists, or to prove that a soul exists? Or > > to prove that any of the metaphysical claims of the bible are true or > > that the bible is actually the inspired word of a god? > > > If you have not, then Why not? For anything taught with such certainty > > there must exist some scientifically verifiable substantiating data. > > No? And if not what is the temptation to believe all about. > > > I ask the following of all of those who say the believe. > > > Please provide scientifically verifiable substantiating data for > > either the EXISTENCE of or any ACT of any god. > > > Strangely I have been repeating this for years and no christian, jew > > of muslim has ever attempted a response, not even the priests and > > preachers. > > > Oh well. > > > > This goes beyond the Molly post as being self and the awareness of > > > decision that was made prior. Are we not mostly controlled beings? > > > Isn't control limited to our personal space and even then limited to > > > no one knowing about that space? Isn't it true, what has been said, > > > that the only privacy we have is that which exists in our minds? But > > > then again, when we talk about control, spiritual control, external > > > control isn't that also a matter that is questionable? > > > Of all the thoughts that control us most it is the fictions we produce > > in and of our own minds that are the most insidious. By that I mean, > > we can not ingest or in any way meld the outside world with our minds. > > We are forced to produce mental models of what we think we perceive > > through our senses. > > > It is however a fact that all that we have believe we perceived > > previously and all of the extrapolations made from those that have > > become our habituated fictions which form the lenses of our mind and > > alter all incoming information to see that they are easily stored and > > are supported by our previous fictions. > > > We even have habituated fictions for the automatic rejection of new > > data that we find disturbing. > > > I have said that these fictions are the most insidious and yet they > > are or can be the most liberating of our experiences. Once we realize > > that every thing we believe is a fiction we free our selves to alter > > them and to thereby make them much more useful on our never ending > > trip from greater to lesser ignorance. > > > The key to such of course is an understating of the principles of > > scientific method which provide the only sure guide to useful > > information. > > > Here is to freedom of the mind, to the liberation of humanity through > > education and the eradication of ignorance, superstition, and other > > poorly thought out fictions which for thousands of years have > > enslaved, terrorized, and extorted from us all of what we could have > > been had we been left in peace to maturate. > > Here is to the advancement of science which heals the sick, which can > > produce a world of abundance to be shared and from which we can even > > learn to live in peace through the newly reorganized social sciences. > > > Here is to humanity! > > > Regards > > > Psychonomist --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
