Thanks Fran, I was getting ready to issue something to that effect myself but you saved me the trouble.
I perceived that Observer had really "misunderstood" the OP anyway and was responding accordingly. On Aug 1, 3:41 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > Observer, TheMac, I noticed you both seem to have wandered over here > from "Atheism vs. Christianity." You're both very welcome. Let me just > invite you to read through a couple of threads here to get a feel for > how we do things here on ME, and request you both to carry out any > flame wars you feel the urge to have on "A. vs. C." We do carry out > hard discussions here, we don't do insults or ad hominems. > > I'm not a moderator, just an ordinary member describing the way I see > things. Looking forward to your constructive contributions. > > Francis > > On 31 Jul., 23:57, TheMac37 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Observer, I have answered you many times...Whats the matter, don`t you > > like the answer? Does it scare you a little? > > > On Jul 30, 10:59 pm, Observer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jul 26, 5:19 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > We had Molly's wonderful post gone chaotic concerning control and > > > > since then I thought of other aspects of control and being in control > > > > and whether or not we are supposed to be in control. > > > > I hear evangelists speak of turning your life over to God, letting the > > > > Holy Spirit guide you. I hear of following rules and regulations, > > > > laws and dictum of governing bodies. I ask myself, where is there any > > > > room left for us to have any control? > > > > Observer > > > > Have you ever asked on of these evangelistic types to prove that such > > > as a holey spirit actually exists? > > > Or that such as any spirit exists, or to prove that a soul exists? Or > > > to prove that any of the metaphysical claims of the bible are true or > > > that the bible is actually the inspired word of a god? > > > > If you have not, then Why not? For anything taught with such certainty > > > there must exist some scientifically verifiable substantiating data. > > > No? And if not what is the temptation to believe all about. > > > > I ask the following of all of those who say the believe. > > > > Please provide scientifically verifiable substantiating data for > > > either the EXISTENCE of or any ACT of any god. > > > > Strangely I have been repeating this for years and no christian, jew > > > of muslim has ever attempted a response, not even the priests and > > > preachers. > > > > Oh well. > > > > > This goes beyond the Molly post as being self and the awareness of > > > > decision that was made prior. Are we not mostly controlled beings? > > > > Isn't control limited to our personal space and even then limited to > > > > no one knowing about that space? Isn't it true, what has been said, > > > > that the only privacy we have is that which exists in our minds? But > > > > then again, when we talk about control, spiritual control, external > > > > control isn't that also a matter that is questionable? > > > > Of all the thoughts that control us most it is the fictions we produce > > > in and of our own minds that are the most insidious. By that I mean, > > > we can not ingest or in any way meld the outside world with our minds. > > > We are forced to produce mental models of what we think we perceive > > > through our senses. > > > > It is however a fact that all that we have believe we perceived > > > previously and all of the extrapolations made from those that have > > > become our habituated fictions which form the lenses of our mind and > > > alter all incoming information to see that they are easily stored and > > > are supported by our previous fictions. > > > > We even have habituated fictions for the automatic rejection of new > > > data that we find disturbing. > > > > I have said that these fictions are the most insidious and yet they > > > are or can be the most liberating of our experiences. Once we realize > > > that every thing we believe is a fiction we free our selves to alter > > > them and to thereby make them much more useful on our never ending > > > trip from greater to lesser ignorance. > > > > The key to such of course is an understating of the principles of > > > scientific method which provide the only sure guide to useful > > > information. > > > > Here is to freedom of the mind, to the liberation of humanity through > > > education and the eradication of ignorance, superstition, and other > > > poorly thought out fictions which for thousands of years have > > > enslaved, terrorized, and extorted from us all of what we could have > > > been had we been left in peace to maturate. > > > Here is to the advancement of science which heals the sick, which can > > > produce a world of abundance to be shared and from which we can even > > > learn to live in peace through the newly reorganized social sciences. > > > > Here is to humanity! > > > > Regards > > > > Psychonomist --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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